RE: Porsche 911 (997) Carrera GTS: Spotted

[tuffer]

Clivey said:

Alcantara is lovely when it's factory fresh but wears a lot faster than leather and ends-up looking scabby as a result. It's rare to see an older car with it still untarnished unless it's been a rarely-driven garage queen. It's a shame because if I could keep it that way, I'd love to have some parts of my own cars retried.

I sold my GTS with >35k miles on it, Alcantara was still mint on seats. Steering wheel needed a brush but came up perfect. http://www.dicklovett.co.uk/porsche/used-cars/5311...

[patch5674]

DiscoColin said:

...yet like almost all other 997 GTSs brought into the UK - this one lacks the (cost option) folding bucket seats. Spec still not perfect...

I do believe there is a PH'er on here who has a white GTS with buckets, iirc he also has the speedster shark fin on the sides.

[Clivey]

tuffer said:

I sold my GTS with >35k miles on it, Alcantara was still mint on seats. Steering wheel needed a brush but came up perfect. http://www.dicklovett.co.uk/porsche/used-cars/5311...

Hi, not trying to be awkward but 35k miles is nothing...especially if the car's been looked-after. My E46 had alcantara bolsters on the seats...at 62k the driver's outer one was starting to look a bit tatty. Same with my D2's door cards (the top of them is a natural place for your elbow to rest).

BTW: I do like that silver on 911s. Really shows-off the curves.

[big_rob_sydney]

I'd rather a GT3 for any discussion of price growth.

Day to day driving and its a completely different discussion. I dont know what the big deal is, because you can find cheap 911s now almost everywhere you look. How unique is the basic carrera, when they've made literally thousands of them?

Big deal, GTS. Its not a GT3, has no racing provenance (compared to GT3).

[matt21]

tuffer said:

I sold my GTS with >35k miles on it, Alcantara was still mint on seats. Steering wheel needed a brush but came up perfect. http://www.dicklovett.co.uk/porsche/used-cars/5311...

I like that, quite tempted to go for a look! Assume they are making a load of cash on that.

[andyc11]

That's a great spec, although for me the alcantara delete would be an issue. That said, I waited 6 months to find mine and still couldn't get the 'perfect' spec. The OPC had the holy grail in when I bought mine...sports chassis, manual, bucket seated GTS. £3k cheaper than I paid for my PDK variant. Personally, I felt it was trying too hard to be a GT3, which I'd already dismissed. Still more than happy with my choice.

[ronnie middlemis]

its a winner , better than cash in the bank, 997 plus gts after its name , not even a stock market,housing crash will devalue this car , start stock piling them now, before its to late

[JBE68]

Mine's a Dec'11 pdk with 24k miles and she always brings a smile

[Cheib]

39H said:

A few years time the 991 Targa GTS would be perfect and tick all the boxes for one of the last non GT NA cars if it reaches similar prices.

Great looking car without a doubt but I think a manual Carrera 2 GTS would be a nicer car.

[kilarney]

I have one but a manual and it makes for a really enjoyable drive. The sport chassis option is not passive though its still pasm just lowered 20mm and fitted with a diff and personally i find it spoils the ride compared to the stock ride height.

[pw32]

Fantastic car. Love mine. Can't see it appreciating just yet, but sure as hell won't drop like a stone.

[av185]

Wanted full leather on mine....alcantara steering wheels wear badly fade and look st imo.

Bought my white full spec OPC car (pdk 2wd) for £66k at 10 months old 4 years back. Not appreciated in value like a GT Porsche and long term probably not as rock solid as some think but a great car nevertheless and best described as the last of the 'analogue' 911s.....

[kambites]

Each generation seems to get hailed as the last analogue/real/whatever 911 as soon as the next one is released.

[av185]

anonymous said:

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Its an interesting one this false perception of size........at 1978mm external mirror to mirror measurement the 991 is exactly the same width as the 981 Cayman and Boxster and yet it on the road it FEELS a much bulkier car (notwithstanding its greater length....and roof heights of the GT3 and GT4 are almost identical) and on the road at least the GT4 feels a similar width to the 997 and almost 'go cart' like in terms of chuckability relative to the 991 GT3.....

[kambites]

I've always found it to be width without the mirrors that matters, but I'd imagine that's much the same between the narrow-body 911s and the Boxster too? I know the 991 is narrower than an F30 3-series.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 31st December 07:42

[ORD]

kambites said:

I've always found it to be width without the mirrors that matters, but I'd imagine that's much the same between the narrow-body 911s and the Boxster too? I know the 991 is narrower than an F30 3-series.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 31st December 07:42

Yes, but an F30 3 Series is bloody wide! I have one and it dwarves my 997. The idea that the 991 is even nearly as wide is depressing. It's not like the 997 is small. It's fairly big.

As for the 'analogueness' thing, the e-throttle is fine and PASM is annoying but not as bad as I expected. It is an irrelevance almost all of the time and then occasionally does something to irritate me (firming up more than expected under braking, for example).

[kambites]

anonymous said:

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It's a nonsensical term, really. Cars haven't been truly "analogue" (in the literal sense) since the introduction of electronic fuel injection.

[kambites]

ORD said:

Yes, but an F30 3 Series is bloody wide! I have one and it dwarves my 997. The idea that the 991 is even nearly as wide is depressing. It's not like the 997 is small. It's fairly big.

I'm not entirely disagreeing (I get ridiculed on here for saying that I find my Elise uncomfortably wide on occasion); just pointing out that the 991 is, in the grand scheme of things, not a wide car by modern standards. If the first numbers I found on Google are to be believed, it's only 8mm wider than a current Golf.

[ORD]

I think the GTS is a fantastic buy. They are going to depreciate slowly, which means that buying a GTS probably works out cheaper than buying an S. I bought an S coz it was a nice colour and I am impatient

I just had a laugh at the post above re a PDK car being 'analogue'. It's an auto!

[av185]

ORD said:

a PDK car being 'analogue'. It's an auto!

Without wishing to open up the auto/'manuel' debate once more, PDK and in particular PDK S is an auto 'manuel' not strictly an auto.