VW Adaptive Cruise/Anti-Collision Radar - Nearly crashed!

VW Adaptive Cruise/Anti-Collision Radar - Nearly crashed!

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Condi

17,168 posts

171 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
By the way, turning it off and having a bump could invalidate your insurance (the system reduces the premium)!
No, no it couldnt.

As far as I know, no car insurance policy REQUIRES driver aids to be turned on. If you turn stability control, (ESP) off and have an accident in no way is your policy invalid.

It may well reduce the premium, because on balance there may be fewer accidents, but that doenst mean you've received a discount for using it.

Janesy B

2,625 posts

186 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
By the way, turning it off and having a bump could invalidate your insurance (the system reduces the premium)!
That's bullst.

ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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M4cruiser said:
This technology in future automated/assisted driving is not good.
The technology is not yet mature. But it is getting pretty damn good.

If, 30-odd years ago, you'd described what cars can do today, you would have been writing Science-Fiction.


ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Janesy B said:
Jazzer said:
By the way, turning it off and having a bump could invalidate your insurance (the system reduces the premium)!
That's bullst.
Sorry, Jazzer, but unless you have specific policy wording that specifically invalidates your insurance if you turn off specific drivers aids, then that is indeed bullst.

I've never heard of such a thing. Not even with TC or SC.

Jazzer

1,674 posts

204 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Janesy B said:
Jazzer said:
By the way, turning it off and having a bump could invalidate your insurance (the system reduces the premium)!
That's bullst.
You're ignorant, therefore it's bullst!?

It's been on Golf R forums.

Maybe they're all bullstters too.

Try it and see....you might change your mind.



jb2410

400 posts

111 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
It's been on Golf R forums
If it's on the Internet, it must be true.

ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
You're ignorant, therefore it's bullst!?

It's been on Golf R forums.

Maybe they're all bullstters too.

Try it and see....you might change your mind.
Jazzer - just to reiterate... insurance is a contract. If the contract has specific exclusions or stipulations, for example "vehicle must be garaged between 10pm and 6am when parked at the risk address" and you fail to do so, then of course you invalidate your insurance.

To my knowledge, no policy currently says "must not turn off the Brake Assist drivers' aid". If there is such a policy and it states that, and you turn it off, then of course that invalidates that policy.

So, would you like to clarify what you are actually saying?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
It's been on Golf R forums.

Maybe they're all bullstters too.
Ooooh, I wonder what the odds are...

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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If it does not invalidate it, would it affect any payout?

ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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saaby93 said:
If it does not invalidate it, would it affect any payout?
It would have to be stipulated in the T&Cs otherwise they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

The only way it would not have to be in the T&Cs (and hence contractual) would be if it was specified by law (which it isn't).

Why is this even a debating point? confused

chr15b

3,467 posts

190 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Pete317 said:
It makes me wonder how they would cope with a zip merge
Not personally had a problem

Condi

17,168 posts

171 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
It's been on Golf R forums.

Maybe they're all bullstters too.
Maybe they're ignorant.....?

Or bullstting?



But 100% it does not invalidate insurance.

98elise

26,502 posts

161 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Condi said:
Jazzer said:
It's been on Golf R forums.

Maybe they're all bullstters too.
Maybe they're ignorant.....?

Or bullstting?



But 100% it does not invalidate insurance.
Agreed

Anything that can be turned off/on is not going to invalidate your insurance. A Tesla model S has autopilot which will steer and brake on road as long as the lines are clear. Do you think that turning this off would invalidate your insurance?

A car is insured for what it it is. Anything thats optional is covered.iIf you modified something then fair enough, but switching something on/off that is a standard feature would be bks.

ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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98elise said:
A car is insured for what it it is. Anything thats optional is covered.iIf you modified something then fair enough, but switching something on/off that is a standard feature would be bks.
Indeed. I think I might possibly have said this a couple of times. biggrin

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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ClockworkCupcake said:
98elise said:
A car is insured for what it it is. Anything thats optional is covered.iIf you modified something then fair enough, but switching something on/off that is a standard feature would be bks.
Indeed. I think I might possibly have said this a couple of times. biggrin
Are you sure there isn't something in usage?
If you turned your headlights off at night and crashed..

ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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saaby93 said:
Are you sure there isn't something in usage?
If you turned your headlights off at night and crashed..
Not sure what you mean.

I'm just saying that these drivers' aids maybe coincide more with some driving styles than others. That's all.

Jazzer

1,674 posts

204 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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ClockworkCupcake said:
Jazzer said:
You're ignorant, therefore it's bullst!?

It's been on Golf R forums.

Maybe they're all bullstters too.

Try it and see....you might change your mind.
Jazzer - just to reiterate... insurance is a contract. If the contract has specific exclusions or stipulations, for example "vehicle must be garaged between 10pm and 6am when parked at the risk address" and you fail to do so, then of course you invalidate your insurance.

To my knowledge, no policy currently says "must not turn off the Brake Assist drivers' aid". If there is such a policy and it states that, and you turn it off, then of course that invalidates that policy.

So, would you like to clarify what you are actually saying?
Chaps, I don't wish to start a world war or provoke Breadvan into action.

I'm pointing out something that those with this system might wish to consider.

My OH was warned that turning it off could cause insurance problems, in much the same way as turning stability systems off and going sideways through a hedge can.....some insurers feel aggrieved at paying out for our stupidity.

Cases are documented.

Insurance is a contract and many of us are caught out by the small print.

Insurers will try not to pay if they can, it's in their interests.

It would be smart to just check your policy, or better still, speak to your insurance company.



TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
I'm pointing out something that those with this system might wish to consider.
And others are pointing out that you are wrong.

Jazzer said:
My OH was warned that turning it off could cause insurance problems
Wrongly.

Jazzer said:
in much the same way as turning stability systems off and going sideways through a hedge can.....
No, it can't.

Jazzer said:
some insurers feel aggrieved at paying out for our stupidity.
That's the difference between TPFT and Comp insurance.

Jazzer said:
Cases are documented.
There's a difference between "documented" and "it happened to a bloke my mate met in a pub".

Jazzer said:
It would be smart to just check your policy
Yes, it would. Try it.

Jazzer said:
or better still, speak to your insurance company.
No, read the Ts & Cs. They will give you a definitive, correct answer. A call-centre muppet may not.

ClockworkCupcake

74,519 posts

272 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Jazzer said:
Insurance is a contract and many of us are caught out by the small print.

Insurers will try not to pay if they can, it's in their interests.
Indeed so.

As I said, if your insurance policy says that you must wear full clown makeup and squeeze a clown horn every 5 mins (ooer, missus) then that might possibly stand up in a court of law.

To state that all insurance policies are similarly bound, ipso facto, well I am less convinced.

smile

Jazzer

1,674 posts

204 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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It would appear that I have caused cognitive conflict here.

This is a good thing, as it is an effective learning avenue.

I will not add seventeen quotes.

You can read Ts and Cs, it's all in the contract, BUT what about the meaning/interpretation of the words?

This is where we can fall down.

Instead of saying I am wrong (I'm reporting what has happened to others), it would be wiser to check out what I'm saying to see for yourself the scenarios which fly in the face of the pseudo-learned comments on here.

What's that saying?

Oh, I know: Ignorance is bliss.....