RE: McLaren 570S vs. 911 Turbo S vs. R8 V10 Plus

[anonymous-user]

Hell of a result for McLaren given how new they are to the road car game.

If that's a consistent result across group test reviews I don't think they'll be able to build them fast enough.

[andrewparker]

Love everything about the McLaren, apart from the looks. It just does nothing for me visually, quite the opposite in fact. So of these three I'd have choose the R8, albeit not in yellow.

[anonymous-user]

question: hows does anyone actually use even half the performance of any of these cars?

I can't properly extend even my diesel estate car, with a paltry 300ish horses on the public road?

[Shiv_P]

Scuffers said:

the 'Options'

£3,420 for Vermilion Red elite paint
£5,540 for Carbon fibre pack 1
£7,730 for Carbon fibre pack 2
£3,180 for sports exhaust
£4,300 for super-lightweight wheels
£880 for special colour brake calipers
£2,470 for 'By McLaren' designer interior
£3,400 for Bowers and Wilkins 12-speaker audio system upgrade
£2,620 for electric and heated memory seats
£960 for front and rear parking sensors
£990 for rear view camera
£1,990 for nose lift
£3,050 for Carbon fibre seat backs

realistically, you could live without all of them..

You could dump the carbon fibre packs, the wheels, the coloured calipers, the carbon seat backs

£150k car and parking sensors not standard :S

[Carl_Manchester]

earlier poster asked a what point have the compromised the 911 to allow it to keep up?

quite a bit as it happens.

the 991 turbo is basically a mini panamera with the looks and weight to Match.

it is the ugliest modern 911 Porsche have made.

if practicality is the only crutch that Porsche lean on for the next turbo it will fall further behind.

Porsches Cayman complex has shown them up here against the new boys and they need a direct mid engined rival in this part of the market.

I have no idea why car makers at this level still charge for parking sensors. make it a no cost delete option.

Edited by Carl_Manchester on Sunday 10th January 14:22

[suffolk009]

Scuffers said:

the 'Options'

£3,420 for Vermilion Red elite paint
£5,540 for Carbon fibre pack 1
£7,730 for Carbon fibre pack 2
£3,180 for sports exhaust
£4,300 for super-lightweight wheels
£880 for special colour brake calipers
£2,470 for 'By McLaren' designer interior
£3,400 for Bowers and Wilkins 12-speaker audio system upgrade
£2,620 for electric and heated memory seats
£960 for front and rear parking sensors
£990 for rear view camera
£1,990 for nose lift
£3,050 for Carbon fibre seat backs

realistically, you could live without all of them..

I think you could make a good case for the nose lift.

[suffolk009]

je777 said:

suffolk009 said:

(I may be the only person who doesn't like carbon bits).

No, you're not.The point of carbon is that it's light, so why are you adding carbon? Alright, so it might be lighter than whatever it's replacing, but by how many grams? It's there to look 'racey', but it looks tacky.
Exposed carbon on actual, structural carbon bits, fine. Otherwise, no: it's like fake mesh, fake diffusers, etc.

I recall about 15+ years ago when I was speccing my new Caterham Superlight (sadly long gone), the factory where keen for me to tick the carbon boxes. I asked what the point was, they said "weight saving, Sir". I asked how much weight the carbon nose and wings might save. they sort-of coughed a bit and looked at their shoes.

That said, a couple of years later, I got caught up in carbon-fever when speccing my K-R500 (also long gone).

Never again.

[Scuffers]

Max_Torque said:

question: hows does anyone actually use even half the performance of any of these cars?

I can't properly extend even my diesel estate car, with a paltry 300ish horses on the public road?

I know what you're saying but it's not quite as simple as that.

I have driven a V10 R8 (manual) and to be blunt, I hated everything about it as a road car, visibility is hopeless, steering remind me of the worse days of BMW's without rack&pinion (540i's etc), brakes that are impossible to finesse, and don;t get me started on the gearbox.

All this adds up to a car that I personally simply did not feel remotely comfortable to 'drive' the thing at anything more than 'normal' road pace.

in contrast, the MP4-12C is one of those cars that took less than 100M driving to feel comfortable and connected to, and it's much the same with the 911 Turbo, it drives as you expect it to as opposed to you never feeling 100% in control of it.

It's a shame really, because I like Audi's, and on paper, the R8 should work, but unlike the other two where I have no issue pushing the loud pedal to the floor, doing that with the R8 is not very confidence inspiring.

[Wilmslowboy]

At this budget £150k to £180k

Nearly new is much better

lightly used - 458/ 650s spyder , Huracan

A 3 year old r8 V10 plus (old shape, but same engine, gearbox etc) can be had for £75k less than the new one

[Scuffers]

Wilmslowboy said:

At this budget £150k to £180k

Nearly new is much better

lightly used - 458/ 650s spyder , Huracan

A 3 year old r8 V10 plus (old shape, but same engine, gearbox etc) can be had for £75k less than the new one

a decent low mile MP4-12C can be had for ~£110K these days....

[Wilmslowboy]

I went into McLaren Manchester (Knutsford) in October with the intention of ordering a 570s, I thought a £145k list car could be had for £155k with extras...couple mins looking through the spec suggested a "sensible spec car" was going to be £170k+

At this level I wouldn't want to have too "live without"

[Wilmslowboy]

Scuffers said:

a decent low mile MP4-12C can be had for ~£110K these days....

tell me about it, I tried to buy a lovely black one (with MSO bumper) on Friday for £123k - but it was sold

[Scuffers]

Wilmslowboy said:

Scuffers said:

a decent low mile MP4-12C can be had for ~£110K these days....

tell me about it, I tried to buy a lovely black one (with MSO bumper) on Friday for £123k - but it was sold

mate just sold his black (with extra black) one on Friday for £113K (too cheap I think)

they are about...

[Wilmslowboy]

Scuffers said:

Wilmslowboy said:

Scuffers said:

a decent low mile MP4-12C can be had for ~£110K these days....

tell me about it, I tried to buy a lovely black one (with MSO bumper) on Friday for £123k - but it was sold

mate just sold his black (with extra black) one on Friday for £113K (too cheap I think)

they are about...

Is your friend an IOM resident ??

[tuffer]

Axionknight said:

I'd take the 570S if I were in the fortunate position of choosing, the Porsche is a close second though, what a fabulous piece of machinery - the R8 doesn't really do it for me though, pass.

McLaren 570S in that OTT bright green colour they use with a black interior, please

That's how I specced it....

[tuffer]

Scuffers said:

Wilmslowboy said:

570s as tested - £184k

the 'Options'

£3,420 for Vermilion Red elite paint
£5,540 for Carbon fibre pack 1
£7,730 for Carbon fibre pack 2
£3,180 for sports exhaust
£4,300 for super-lightweight wheels
£880 for special colour brake calipers
£2,470 for 'By McLaren' designer interior
£3,400 for Bowers and Wilkins 12-speaker audio system upgrade
£2,620 for electric and heated memory seats
£960 for front and rear parking sensors
£990 for rear view camera
£1,990 for nose lift
£3,050 for Carbon fibre seat backs

realistically, you could live without all of them..

A lot of that can be had in bundles and would bring the price down.

[Oilchange]

Got to love that Mclaren in that amazing red, what a machine and a well deserved 'win'.
I can take or leave 911s but I do appreciate how capable the Turbos are.


The Beetle? Hardly registered. Should've waited for a Huracan...

[Axionknight]

tuffer said:

Axionknight said:

I'd take the 570S if I were in the fortunate position of choosing, the Porsche is a close second though, what a fabulous piece of machinery - the R8 doesn't really do it for me though, pass.

McLaren 570S in that OTT bright green colour they use with a black interior, please

That's how I specced it....

lovely

[Wilmslowboy]

bit more sedate

[clarki]

Always loved the looks of the R8.

The new V10 Plus does it for me tbh. Make it a spyder and it's almost my perfect car.