RE: McLaren 570S vs. 911 Turbo S vs. R8 V10 Plus
Discussion
Wilmslowboy said:
At this budget £150k to £180k
Nearly new is much better
lightly used - 458/ 650s spyder , Huracan
A 3 year old r8 V10 plus (old shape, but same engine, gearbox etc) can be had for £75k less than the new one
Or you could buy a classic car which would appreciate, or spend the money on coke and hookers. So what, this is a new-car test so what else you could spend the money on isn't the question being asked by this test. Nearly new is much better
lightly used - 458/ 650s spyder , Huracan
A 3 year old r8 V10 plus (old shape, but same engine, gearbox etc) can be had for £75k less than the new one
For me it would be the McLaren, that 570s is beautiful and looks special enough to justify the outlay, the others just look a little too main-stream.
R8 is the one that did it for me (and I typically don't even like these posh Veedubs)....but that powertrain is as tremendous as the article suggests. Not sure what all the fuss is about with the dynamic steering - feels fine to me.
I think the Macca is an outstanding piece of kit but sadly it's not really in the same price point as the other two (not for a like for like spec). R8 won me over anyway
I think the Macca is an outstanding piece of kit but sadly it's not really in the same price point as the other two (not for a like for like spec). R8 won me over anyway
Another 1st for McLaren following up the success of 12C/650S.
Well done the boys from Woking - putting the Great back in Britain.
Porsche and Audi are not supercars IMHO
The 570S is awesome but for £180k I would be buying a real supercar with hypercar performance in a nearly new 650S spider ( with 80 bhp and lb ft torque more, polycarbonate panels, hydraulic suspension and active aero )
Well done the boys from Woking - putting the Great back in Britain.
Porsche and Audi are not supercars IMHO
The 570S is awesome but for £180k I would be buying a real supercar with hypercar performance in a nearly new 650S spider ( with 80 bhp and lb ft torque more, polycarbonate panels, hydraulic suspension and active aero )
Why? All 3 of these cars are so fast that you'd be lucky to use WOT at high revs for more than 3 seconds. Ever.
Not a single proper gearbox amongst them, which isn't mentioned. None of them is a Sunday morning car, so you may as well take the Porsche for the better practicality.
As for the AWD nonsense, has anyone actually driven a 911 in the wet? You really don't need AWD if the engine is over the driven wheels. Of course, if you have AWD, you start to credit it with doing stuff like keeping you on the road (which has nothing to do with driven wheels) or helping you stop (ditto).
Not a single proper gearbox amongst them, which isn't mentioned. None of them is a Sunday morning car, so you may as well take the Porsche for the better practicality.
As for the AWD nonsense, has anyone actually driven a 911 in the wet? You really don't need AWD if the engine is over the driven wheels. Of course, if you have AWD, you start to credit it with doing stuff like keeping you on the road (which has nothing to do with driven wheels) or helping you stop (ditto).
The Mac wins easily. It's a full on supercar. In fact it actually looks more prestige than a 650S. Someone above said they'd buy a used 650s which would have hypercar performance as oppose to this. I'm sorry, you would never be able to tell the difference between these on public roads except that the 570s sounds better, looks better and is 30% less the price.
As for pure speed from A to B, the Porsche wins hands down. But I'd take a GT3 over a turbo. In fact I'd take a Carrera S over a turbo as well. Cuz the turbo models you pay more for less driving pleasure.
As for pure speed from A to B, the Porsche wins hands down. But I'd take a GT3 over a turbo. In fact I'd take a Carrera S over a turbo as well. Cuz the turbo models you pay more for less driving pleasure.
Max_Torque said:
question: hows does anyone actually use even half the performance of any of these cars?
I can't properly extend even my diesel estate car, with a paltry 300ish horses on the public road?
If someone offered you the keys to take a 570S for a drive in lieu of the 335d, would you turn them down...?I can't properly extend even my diesel estate car, with a paltry 300ish horses on the public road?
ORD said:
?... Not a single proper gearbox amongst them, which isn't mentioned. None of them is a Sunday morning car, so you may as well take the Porsche for the better practicality. ...
At this level most people don't actually want an old-fashioned manual gearbox (if that's what you mean by 'proper') so that's why manufacturers don't offer them.Why don't you think that the 570s is a 'Sunday morning car' and for me the idea of buying a car in this sector based on 'practicality' would be the main reason to run a mile from it. It just different approaches, that's why the Porsche is presented in dull grey, the Audi is presented in a shouty bright colour (to try and avoid the dull image of the brand) and why the Mac wants to look like a Ferrari in rosso and creame!
Still the Mac for me
The Surveyor said:
At this level most people don't actually want an old-fashioned manual gearbox (if that's what you mean by 'proper') so that's why manufacturers don't offer them.
Why don't you think that the 570s is a 'Sunday morning car' and for me the idea of buying a car in this sector based on 'practicality' would be the main reason to run a mile from it. It just different approaches, that's why the Porsche is presented in dull grey, the Audi is presented in a shouty bright colour (to try and avoid the dull image of the brand) and why the Mac wants to look like a Ferrari in rosso and creame!
Still the Mac for me
I wouldn't get out of bed for a car with an automatic gearbox, turbo engine and more grip than you can possibly ever use. It is also too wide for most fun roads. It's a car for pootling around West London in 1st gear, not driving the wheels off. True of all 'supercars', really. Why don't you think that the 570s is a 'Sunday morning car' and for me the idea of buying a car in this sector based on 'practicality' would be the main reason to run a mile from it. It just different approaches, that's why the Porsche is presented in dull grey, the Audi is presented in a shouty bright colour (to try and avoid the dull image of the brand) and why the Mac wants to look like a Ferrari in rosso and creame!
Still the Mac for me
I bet someone could tell us what sort of average speeds supercars do in England. I imagine it is in the teens.
A supercar without an exotic engine is pointless, in my view. The R8 at least has an awesome engine.
ORD said:
I wouldn't get out of bed for a car with an automatic gearbox, turbo engine and more grip than you can possibly ever use. It is also too wide for most fun roads. It's a car for pootling around West London in 1st gear, not driving the wheels off. True of all 'supercars', really.
I bet someone could tell us what sort of average speeds supercars do in England. I imagine it is in the teens.
A supercar without an exotic engine is pointless, in my view. The R8 at least has an awesome engine.
Agree with you about the Audi V10 engine, it is a work of art, the problem is that up until they mated it to the dsg box, the manual was quite literally the worse change ever and the auto had the response of a 1960's 3 speed borg warner.I bet someone could tell us what sort of average speeds supercars do in England. I imagine it is in the teens.
A supercar without an exotic engine is pointless, in my view. The R8 at least has an awesome engine.
the other problem with it is that to get it to go anywhere 'fast' you have to rev the nadds off it, great from an aural perspective, but really hard to do on the road, the other two just 'go' at almost any engine speed, all be it with less occasion and drama.
I also agree that the look of the older R8 was more distinctive.
Matt Bird said:
Oh. Nothing, actually. Not sure what it's there for. I'll delete them now, thank for pointing it out.
Matt
NP. Also the 570S part mentions Carbon Ceramics, which aren't detailed in the 'price as tested' part. Are they standard? A quick look at the McLaren website shows both Iron and Carbon Ceramic brake options, but not sure which is included in the price... Matt
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