RE: Honda Civic Type R: PH Carpool
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750turbo said:
Totally agree - just too expensive, but that is Mugen for you!
Sorry for the typos. Hate them, but that's the bloody iphone. It's a great car. There's definitely more power than a standard car and it's really dynamic. The steering, throttle response and brakes are hyper. It's like an angry wasp.
TameRacingDriver said:
Certainly seems to be. I honestly don't get the amount of hate it receives. The EP3 for example, which seems to be able to do no wrong, doesn't handle any better and the steering is much worse. The engine also sounds better in the FN2. It looks much nicer and is a much nicer place to sit.
It gets criticism for not having an LSD - later models do have, and the EP3 never had one (unless JDM import); most hot hatches from around 2007 didn't have an LSD either. It gets criticised for the suspension, but I rarely see anyone criticise a Renault Sport for having the same suspension setup, and honestly, I don't think my old 172/182 were really any better handling either. It gets criticised for the ride - ok its pretty firm and it bobs around a bit, but its a hot hatch, most of them are firm. It gets criticised for being slow, but does 0-60 in 6.6 secs and 146 mph - not class leading but slow?!
People moan on about how every car is now a 4-pot turbo, this was the last of the decent NA engines but still it just gets picked apart.
After owning an FN2 for 12 months, it certainly taught me to take what I read written about cars by other petrolheads with a pinch of salt. I assumed it would be utter, utter crap, but I was pleasantly surprised. No, its not perfect, but no car is. I fail to see what is so good, for example, about a Golf GTI Mk5 over this? VAG products send me to sleep - at least the FN2 tries to be different.
Possibly the best post i have ever read on PH, and also as much as i like Clarkson, and as someone else said. this car seems to suffer the most from repeating one of his quotes, i have an EP3, and it really is one of the best hot hatches i have ever owned.It gets criticism for not having an LSD - later models do have, and the EP3 never had one (unless JDM import); most hot hatches from around 2007 didn't have an LSD either. It gets criticised for the suspension, but I rarely see anyone criticise a Renault Sport for having the same suspension setup, and honestly, I don't think my old 172/182 were really any better handling either. It gets criticised for the ride - ok its pretty firm and it bobs around a bit, but its a hot hatch, most of them are firm. It gets criticised for being slow, but does 0-60 in 6.6 secs and 146 mph - not class leading but slow?!
People moan on about how every car is now a 4-pot turbo, this was the last of the decent NA engines but still it just gets picked apart.
After owning an FN2 for 12 months, it certainly taught me to take what I read written about cars by other petrolheads with a pinch of salt. I assumed it would be utter, utter crap, but I was pleasantly surprised. No, its not perfect, but no car is. I fail to see what is so good, for example, about a Golf GTI Mk5 over this? VAG products send me to sleep - at least the FN2 tries to be different.
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