The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol II

[ShaunTheSheep]

SpeedMattersNot said:

ooks about normal for a real life situation where you could be listening to the EU debate on Five Live. Unless you drive as if you're going to die every metre of the road you cover, of course.

Hmmm maybe I am being unfair but well over a second to react just feels far too slow. Even if he was listening to the radio, he's not doing it with his eyes closed and if you're not paying attention your brain screams at you as soon as something that looks odd comes into view.

I still reckon that delay is about double what id expect but I've seen plenty of similarly slow reactions in real life so maybe it is par for the course.

[heebeegeetee]

Mr2Mike said:

Would you care to explain how this fit in with the truly bizarre argument that more cyclists on the road improves safety?

Yes, I'll explain. There's clearly some sort of anomaly going on in the UK at the moment, which in no way negates the evidence accrued all over the world for decades. Prior to this anomaly, since 2000 London saw a 91% increase on numbers and a 33% reduction in casualties since 94-98.

As the graph shows, Denmark and Holland have the highest numbers of cyclists and the highest rates of safety, all achieved without helmets or the need for specialist clothing, whereas Portugal has the lowest numbers and the greatest danger, and all the other countries fit in pro-rata. Is this what you are describing as bizarre?

Mr2Mike said:

Your wall of text on the health benefits of cycling is rather irrelevant. Obviously exercise has health benefits (it's benefited me for instance) but it doesn't prevent accidents and injuries occurring, so it's irrelevant in the context of this discussion.

Whaaat?! You are saying that according to the govt stats that you like to quote, the dangers as they are known now being outweighed 20:1 by the benefits are irrelevant? How can you possibly drawer that conclusion? No-one said exercise will prevent accidents and injuries but everyone knows the the benefits still outweigh the risks.

Mr2Mike said:

So please explain why you why believe that cyclists being able to chat to each other is more important than practicing defensive riding? You really aren't doing cyclists any favours with your views.

I am sure that the cyclists can work out for themselves what balance of pleasure/safety they wish to apply. I can fully understand how they would prefer to ride in a group and chat rather than ride singly in silence. We do the same when we choose to drive at 70mph or more instead of 30mph.

[Krikkit]

anonymous said:

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I think the best way to explain it is this:

The car driver is 100% at fault for actually causing the accident.

The biker could have ridden more carefully to reduce the chances of that kind of accident. Just as I was watching the video I already knew what the accident would be - someone either merging from left-hand to right-hand lane, or someone not checking as they turn across the carriageway.

Riding past a queue of stationary traffic at 60mph is far too fast.

[mikal83]

anonymous said:

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can you please show me where the biker was doing 60, past the traffic, just b4 impact, at the point of impact etc.

[pinchmeimdreamin]

mikal83 said:

can you please show me where the biker was doing 60, past the traffic, just b4 impact, at the point of impact etc.

[xRIEx]

anonymous said:

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I agree with this. The van driver should (I believe) treat crossing each lane as a separate manoeuvre and make appropriate observations etc. each time, which they didn't do; the biker didn't help their chances by not reading the behaviour of others (why are vehicles moving at ~5mph on a 70mph road?). My expectation (during the video and when I used to ride) was of a car darting out of the left lane into the right lane, even if I wasn't aware of a junction.

[C70R]

Marcellus said:

Europa1 said:

Some of the cyclists were on the right hand side of a road approaching a side turning on that side of the road. Car was pulling out of said side turning, which looks like it was pretty blind for anyone pulling out of the side turning. I can't agree with your assertion that it's 100% the car's fault.

Let';s get away from the "Cyclists are wrong" if we were to pretend the cyclists were a car and there was an accident who woudl be in the wrong... the car on the road or the one pulling out of a side road/drive?

PH said:

The cyclist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

Edited by C70R on Thursday 21st July 14:50

[SonicShadow]

Van drivers responsibility to cross the lane safely, fault lies with the van there clearly.

I do agree with the posters saying the biker should have reduced their speed significantly in that scenario though. A speed differential of more than ~30MPH is a recipe for a crash in situations like this.

[C70R]

SonicShadow said:

Van drivers responsibility to cross the lane safely, fault lies with the van there clearly.

I do agree with the posters saying the biker should have reduced their speed significantly in that scenario though. A speed differential of more than ~30MPH is a recipe for a crash in situations like this.

Couldn't agree more with this. Smacks of over-enthusiasm and lack of experience, something the rider acknowledges in the video description. I wouldn't drive at 60mph past stationary traffic in my 1.5t car, so it's moronic for a biker to think it's somehow acceptable.

[Stig]

Speaking as a biker, it was the van's fault - however the rider could have avoided it (I know, hindsight and all that) by:

a) not trying to catch up with her mate
b) focussing on her riding instead of having a bloody chat with them on comms
and
c) staying to the right side of the lane and reducing speed a bit.

I would have been far more wary of a car pulling out of the line of traffic (which happens frequently) than she was.

[Toaster Pilot]

Filmed on a potato but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCEOcAAGwF8

[DMN]

Toaster Pilot said:

Filmed on a potato but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCEOcAAGwF8

Crikey thats grim. At least they're moving afterwards.

[Stickyfinger]

OT.....but it streamed after the bike crash vid....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56VnJFBwAlE

[troc]

heebeegeetee said:

As the graph shows, Denmark and Holland have the highest numbers of cyclists and the highest rates of safety, all achieved without helmets or the need for specialist clothing, whereas Portugal has the lowest numbers and the greatest danger, and all the other countries fit in pro-rata. Is this what you are describing as bizarre?

Whilst I agree in general terms that more cyclists on the roads should eventually end up with safer roads for cyclists, I do have issues with that graph. As someone who has lived in Holland for most of my 45 years, I should point out that the main reason that pushbike vs other road vehicle accident rates are low per km is because the vast majority of cycled kilometres are on bike-specific roads which are separated from the normal roads. This is especially true of fast roads such as our equivalent to dual carriageways and countryside A and B roads. In most towns the centre is either car-free or the roads are so congested that speeds are extremely low and thus serious accidents are avoided.

However it's true that, outside of recreational (racing, training, off-road tracks etc) cycling, nobody except visiting Germans wear helmets

[Alucidnation]

Can you lot fk off and create you're own thread to have your petty squabbles and leave this one for the subject matter.

Much obliged.

[budgie smuggler]

defblade said:

Talking of motorbikes and things pulling out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2saO7DaLNU

(NSFW due to swearing after impact)

I was cringing a bit at her speed (ok, so that's easy when you know an accident is about to happen, but traffic queued like that is a slightly dangerous situation at the best of times) as she rode along the line but the accident was not the one I expected!

Quite impressed how much speed she managed to scrub off without pulling a stoppy or locking up.

[Byker28i]

SonicShadow said:

Van drivers responsibility to cross the lane safely, fault lies with the van there clearly.

I do agree with the posters saying the biker should have reduced their speed significantly in that scenario though. A speed differential of more than ~30MPH is a recipe for a crash in situations like this.

As you get older you recognise things, the spider senses kick in, she was 21, newish rider, and very lucky. Looked like she got her speed down well before the hit

[Byker28i]

budgie smuggler said:

defblade said:

Talking of motorbikes and things pulling out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2saO7DaLNU

(NSFW due to swearing after impact)

I was cringing a bit at her speed (ok, so that's easy when you know an accident is about to happen, but traffic queued like that is a slightly dangerous situation at the best of times) as she rode along the line but the accident was not the one I expected!

Quite impressed how much speed she managed to scrub off without pulling a stoppy or locking up.

Just watched it again. 54mph past the traffic, down to 26mph when she hit

[Vipers]

Wish I had a cam, out cycling today on the road bike, plodding along at around 30 mph, and in the distance I see a ginormous earth mover machine in an artic coming my way albeit half a mile or so away. (The road bends to the right, and it was half way between the road and right half side of the picture). The road is quite narrow as you can see.

In front of me is lay by with a car pulled in waiting for the artic to pass.

As I approach thinking I will wait behind the car, I see a Range Rover approaching with yellow flashing lights, he is the guy to tell cars to wait till the artic passes, it's a narrow road.

I am almost alongside the Rover and the idiot decided he will crank his wheel right to block me. Fortunately there was a gap between him and the edge of the road for me to pass. At this point I am about 10 metres from him and doing 30 mph.



The earth moving machine is part of the AWPR works near Aberdeen, the by-pass route they are constructing.

Had he blocked me completely, I may not be typing this.

[mikal83]

Stig said:

Speaking as a biker, it was the van's fault - however the rider could have avoided it (I know, hindsight and all that) by:

a) not trying to catch up with her mate
b) focussing on her riding instead of having a bloody chat with them on comms
and
c) staying to the right side of the lane and reducing speed a bit.

I would have been far more wary of a car pulling out of the line of traffic (which happens frequently) than she was.

Agree.