The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol II
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SpeedMattersNot said:
Blakewater said:
ShaunTheSheep said:
Blakewater said:
I'll hang back until the car ahead in the overtaking lane has got passed it
Why not just stay in the driving lane until the overtake is on? I'll have to wait for everyone I previously overtook to trundle past nose to tail and become part of the hold up in front again.
Also, when the intention is to keep space around my vehicle, I won't move into the middle lane from the outside lane if I'm alongside something in the inside lane. I'm wanting to avoid lingering in the blind spot of another driver and one of the most common motorway accidents is a driver in lane one and a driver in lane three both moving into the same gap in lane two and side swiping each other.
To move in to lane two, maintain a two second gap from the vehicle in front and avoid being alongside what's in lane one, I'll have to slow in front of the guy I've moved over in front of. Then he'll expect me to move into lane one to not be hogging the middle lane and suddenly I'll be trundling in lane one at 50mph with the supermarket lorries because all those who want to tailgate and drive in people's blind spots think they have more right to the overtaking lanes than those who want to make progress safely.
The angry tailgater and the person leapfrogging past people in the outside lane by dodging through small gaps to overtake on the inside are no less obliged to move over for those behind them in dense traffic than anyone else is. They have gaps to their left but they think those in front should move over and allow them through because they're the only people who want to go faster and the only people whose journeys are important. The problem is, when the snail racing HGVs and the person doing 56.5mph in the outside lane move over, these people who think they're the fastest on the road never look in their mirrors and never leave the outside lane themselves. I encountered one such woman on the M62 the other day who, after giving it argie-bargie past Leeds, sat in the outside lane all the way to Manchester when the road in front of her had cleared and everyone she'd shoved past in heavy traffic was stuck behind her.
Guys you're thinking that you being overtaken is a bad thing. Its not. Everyone is getting home sooner.
You're travelling faster than the car ahead in the driving lane, you look, see a suitable gap in the overtaking lane, signal and then go.
You overtake and now there's 10 seconds+ of clear left hand lane, you look and then return (without a signal).
Except for the slight speed increase to overtake, your speed hasn't changed.
Faster traffic behind is now overtaking you as you approach the next obstacle. You look for a gap - there isn't one. You wait.
Let's pause the simulation for a sec - there's now a bunch of cars you were holding up (they caught up with you so they want to go faster than you) are getting past unimpeded. You're getting home faster than if you hadn't made the first overtake. If no more overtakes are on for the rest of the journey, you're still up on where you were.
All this said - don't go overboard with lane switching. Use common sense, if you're duking in and out in heavy traffic, you're doing it wrong.
If you can see empty road ahead and you're not in the driving lane, hand in your licence.
You're talking about two different situations. If you can't comprehend that, hand your passport in.
For the first time in a very long time I moved back into lane two to allow the tailgater past, who without surprise crawled past (who I eventually re-passed several miles later) but a guy in a green MG ZR actually let me back into Lane 3! It's this situation that is uncommon that we're referring to.
What you are talking about is assuming the motorway is quite quiet. Those roads just don't exist around here...
For the first time in a very long time I moved back into lane two to allow the tailgater past, who without surprise crawled past (who I eventually re-passed several miles later) but a guy in a green MG ZR actually let me back into Lane 3! It's this situation that is uncommon that we're referring to.
What you are talking about is assuming the motorway is quite quiet. Those roads just don't exist around here...
I've tried, I don't understand what you're saying.
You were hogging l3, you moved into l2, someone overtook, 20 cars later of sitting with your indicator on someone let you out. The first person who overtook you had returned to the left, you resumed lane hogging.
If you're expecting the overtaking lane to stop immediately that you want to use it, then you're in fantasy land.
You were hogging l3, you moved into l2, someone overtook, 20 cars later of sitting with your indicator on someone let you out. The first person who overtook you had returned to the left, you resumed lane hogging.
If you're expecting the overtaking lane to stop immediately that you want to use it, then you're in fantasy land.
Motorcycle / Bike Road Rage Comp...
Plenty of non events..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtT5EhQAIIw
ShaunTheSheep said:
How can it be absolutely spot on if it defies physics?
Guys you're thinking that you being overtaken is a bad thing. Its not. Everyone is getting home sooner.
You're travelling faster than the car ahead in the driving lane, you look, see a suitable gap in the overtaking lane, signal and then go.
You overtake and now there's 10 seconds+ of clear left hand lane, you look and then return (without a signal).
Except for the slight speed increase to overtake, your speed hasn't changed.
Faster traffic behind is now overtaking you as you approach the next obstacle. You look for a gap - there isn't one. You wait.
Let's pause the simulation for a sec - there's now a bunch of cars you were holding up (they caught up with you so they want to go faster than you) are getting past unimpeded. You're getting home faster than if you hadn't made the first overtake. If no more overtakes are on for the rest of the journey, you're still up on where you were.
All this said - don't go overboard with lane switching. Use common sense, if you're duking in and out in heavy traffic, you're doing it wrong.
If you can see empty road ahead and you're not in the driving lane, hand in your licence.
When did I say anything about sitting in an overtaking lane with no traffic ahead? I'm talking about there being traffic ahead in the driving lane and overtaking lane that is going more slowly than I want to go. In the video that started the discussion there was a bus that the camera car was gaining on and wanted to overtake but because he wasn't tailgating the car ahead and sitting in the bus driver's blind spot someone thought he could shove between them.Guys you're thinking that you being overtaken is a bad thing. Its not. Everyone is getting home sooner.
You're travelling faster than the car ahead in the driving lane, you look, see a suitable gap in the overtaking lane, signal and then go.
You overtake and now there's 10 seconds+ of clear left hand lane, you look and then return (without a signal).
Except for the slight speed increase to overtake, your speed hasn't changed.
Faster traffic behind is now overtaking you as you approach the next obstacle. You look for a gap - there isn't one. You wait.
Let's pause the simulation for a sec - there's now a bunch of cars you were holding up (they caught up with you so they want to go faster than you) are getting past unimpeded. You're getting home faster than if you hadn't made the first overtake. If no more overtakes are on for the rest of the journey, you're still up on where you were.
All this said - don't go overboard with lane switching. Use common sense, if you're duking in and out in heavy traffic, you're doing it wrong.
If you can see empty road ahead and you're not in the driving lane, hand in your licence.
If someone ahead of me is carrying out a fairly slow overtake, he's the hold up for me and all those behind but he's perfectly entitled to do his speed without me tailgating.
The other day I overtook a woman in an Audi TT and a guy in a BMW 5 Series before coming up behind a slow guy in a Nissan Micra in the outside lane gaining on an HGV in the middle lane. Really he was a liability for not getting on with his overtake quickly, but only for the behaviour he brought out in others, and I wasn't prepared to be aggressive and force him over with other dangerous drivers around.
The woman in the Audi TT came up on our inside and cut closely between the HGV and the Nissan forcing the Nissan driver to brake as the BMW driver tried to ram me.
Once past the HGV I gave the Nissan driver a flash of high beam to wake him up and persuade him to move over, as he wasn't moving over in reasonable time when I'd held back and given him chance and with people piling up behind getting agitated the danger level was increasing. I passed him and moved in, at which point the BMW driver hammered past me before settling back down to his original speed and holding me up again with the Audi driver at a slightly higher speed than the Nissan's.
Now, if I want to do 70mph (honest officer) and I come up behind someone whose chosen speed is 55mph overtaking a lorry doing 50mph I'm not going to get up close and personal with him while sitting alongside the lorry, but moving in behind the lorry won't allow me a run up to accelerate and speed match what's in the outside lane to slip back out again. It might also mean moving into the safety gap of the lorry driver we've just passed which is the sort of thing lorry drivers hate. Why am I obliged to move over as if I'm holding up the people doing 60mph who I've probably just passed? Why do they have a right to maintain their speed without having to accommodate other road users while I shrink in among the 50mph people with occasional ventures out behind the 60mph people?
That would mean me being constantly delayed by 10mph to 20mph while the people wanting to do 60mph would only be delayed by 5mph until the 55mph people have moved over. You seem to be counting yourself among those who don't want to accommodate other road users, who think someone passing them and slowing further on is out to annoy them because they can't see the greater situation of what's happening on the road around them.
http://youtu.be/CPPnfyHvTno <--- bikers POV
http://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU <--- bystander
really hope they got to the bottom of this - no excuse for such behaviours
http://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU <--- bystander
really hope they got to the bottom of this - no excuse for such behaviours
- Caution* sweary indeed.
Edited by ruggedscotty on Sunday 31st July 21:02
ruggedscotty said:
http://youtu.be/CPPnfyHvTno <--- bikers POV
http://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU <--- bystander
really hope they got to the bottom of this - no excuse for such behaviours
Where's the crap driving? More just a video of a pathetic brawl. Needs the context of what lead to it.http://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU <--- bystander
really hope they got to the bottom of this - no excuse for such behaviours
ruggedscotty said:
http://youtu.be/CPPnfyHvTno <--- bikers POV
http://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU <--- bystander
really hope they got to the bottom of this - no excuse for such behaviours
Not sure why he didn't just head butt him with that helmet onhttp://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU <--- bystander
really hope they got to the bottom of this - no excuse for such behaviours
- Caution* sweary indeed.
Edited by ruggedscotty on Sunday 31st July 21:02
Alucidnation said:
Motorcycle / Bike Road Rage Comp...
Plenty of non events..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtT5EhQAIIw
ktards getting very close to causing a potentially life changing/fatal event. Not least the last clip- can't see and still not slowing down.Motorrad said:
Alucidnation said:
Motorcycle / Bike Road Rage Comp...
Plenty of non events..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtT5EhQAIIw
ktards getting very close to causing a potentially life changing/fatal event. Not least the last clip- can't see and still not slowing down.http://youtu.be/z950TnrF4BU
http://youtu.be/z95OTnrF4BU
let me know what one works - dont know if its a 0 or a O.
http://youtu.be/z95OTnrF4BU
let me know what one works - dont know if its a 0 or a O.
ruggedscotty said:
It's an O - the second one works.ruggedscotty said:
Cahm doon mahn. Cahm doon.Alucidnation said:
Motorrad said:
Alucidnation said:
Motorcycle / Bike Road Rage Comp...
Plenty of non events..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtT5EhQAIIw
ktards getting very close to causing a potentially life changing/fatal event. Not least the last clip- can't see and still not slowing down.Alucidnation said:
Motorcycle / Bike Road Rage Comp...
Plenty of non events..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtT5EhQAIIw
The most amazing for me though was the retard at 3:50 who almost runs a cyclist over while turning across oncoming traffic into the wrong side of a side road and then had the temerity to gesticulate with the cyclist. Incredible.
Krikkit said:
Alucidnation said:
Motorrad said:
Alucidnation said:
Motorcycle / Bike Road Rage Comp...
Plenty of non events..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtT5EhQAIIw
ktards getting very close to causing a potentially life changing/fatal event. Not least the last clip- can't see and still not slowing down.There's some genuine nobbery from car drivers for sure, but given how vulnerable a biker is then I'd be driving a little slower and trying to keep an eye out for the crap drivers who don't 'think bike' as they should.
skahigh said:
So many of those were just down to poor anticipation by the bikers.
The most amazing for me though was the retard at 3:50 who almost runs a cyclist over while turning across oncoming traffic into the wrong side of a side road and then had the temerity to gesticulate with the cyclist. Incredible.
The most amazing for me though was the retard at 3:50 who almost runs a cyclist over while turning across oncoming traffic into the wrong side of a side road and then had the temerity to gesticulate with the cyclist. Incredible.
The fact that the cyclist went through a red light does not make it OK to run them down!
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