The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol II
Discussion
04helipilot said:
carlove said:
Stickyfinger said:
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Would you overtake a car that was obviously going to over take another (as it was closing fast on it) ? If not, why would you over take as cyclist in the same situation ?
It was the drivers fault.
Fair point, I did think I made my views on the car driver knows on first post, but obviously forgot. The driver didn't plan ahead, and shouldn't have overtaken as you said. However the cyclist didn't make one check before starting his overtake, which put him in danger, I think that's why they call it a lifesaver. If the car passed too close and then he pulled out he would have been hit up the arse. Would you overtake a car that was obviously going to over take another (as it was closing fast on it) ? If not, why would you over take as cyclist in the same situation ?
It was the drivers fault.
What if you were approaching a car, pulled out to overtake without checking mirrors and a motorbike had just started to overtake you?
My words were harsh towards the cyclist, I think it's 50/50.
They're called lifesavers for a reason and a fundamental, first day of training item for anyone going on 2 wheels.
ORD said:
50/50.
Pretty sure the HC says to check that you are not being overtake before you try to overtake.
And if your not sure what the other road user will do ? = do not overtake. Pretty sure the HC says to check that you are not being overtake before you try to overtake.
The driver could of backed off without a problem, he did not. How much did the driver gain from the overtake ?, it was not even necessary.
Stickyfinger said:
ORD said:
50/50.
Pretty sure the HC says to check that you are not being overtake before you try to overtake.
And if your not sure what the other road user will do ? = do not overtake. Pretty sure the HC says to check that you are not being overtake before you try to overtake.
The driver could of backed off without a problem, he did not. How much did the driver gain from the overtake ?, it was not even necessary.
ORD said:
50/50.
Pretty sure the HC says to check that you are not being overtake before you try to overtake.
Yes it does. But why 50/50? How about this analogy. A car is driving along the left hand lane of a dual carriageway approaching a slower car in front. Another faster travelling car is in the right hand lane and is about to overtake the car in the left hand lane (approaching the slower car) when it pulls out without looking or indicating to overtake the slower vehicle and contacts the car in the right hand lane which is already overtaking. Who is at fault?Pretty sure the HC says to check that you are not being overtake before you try to overtake.
ashleyman said:
You'd be surprised, I had a dash cam fitted yesterday and on the way home last night I caught 2 bits of dodgy driving and today it caught a bit of road rage between 2 cars in front of me. Most of the time I would have driven past, ignored it and forgotten about it. The fact it's recorded does make you think more about it though rather than instantly forgetting. Even the installer said it does alter the way you drive but of course if he was in the wrong that camera would instantly be out of memory or wasn't recording. I'd probably be the same to some degree if something was my fault.
The first bit of driving I caught was just rubbish planning and poor observation, people in a right hand turn lane trying to turn into a close petrol garage with cones and bollards up. Then one guy pulled over and was blocking the road a little as he couldn't go any further. I did the whole dash cam warrior thing and gave him a beep because it was just totally rubbish observation. https://youtu.be/xmpgrrbV9kA
The second was a truck just being a truck! I was late to react as I was looking behind me but still the clip got logged as an event and I saved it for later, mainly to show what the camera looked like at night time with some realistic footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK9CJ7sFBU
In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
Oh no! You have become a dashcam tThe first bit of driving I caught was just rubbish planning and poor observation, people in a right hand turn lane trying to turn into a close petrol garage with cones and bollards up. Then one guy pulled over and was blocking the road a little as he couldn't go any further. I did the whole dash cam warrior thing and gave him a beep because it was just totally rubbish observation. https://youtu.be/xmpgrrbV9kA
The second was a truck just being a truck! I was late to react as I was looking behind me but still the clip got logged as an event and I saved it for later, mainly to show what the camera looked like at night time with some realistic footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK9CJ7sFBU
In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
Edited by ashleyman on Sunday 25th September 00:12
t.Even honking at the guy in the first clip was OTT but to actually bother to upload it to youtube and then post here is just a bit sad
Garvin said:
Yes it does. But why 50/50? How about this analogy. A car is driving along the left hand lane of a dual carriageway approaching a slower car in front. Another faster travelling car is in the right hand lane and is about to overtake the car in the left hand lane (approaching the slower car) when it pulls out without looking or indicating to overtake the slower vehicle and contacts the car in the right hand lane which is already overtaking. Who is at fault?
Your analogy is specious because a car in L2 of a DC is already established in that lane and the car which tries to pull into the L2 should wait.In the case being discussed both car and overtaking bike want to use the same patch of contested road.
The car driver can see the situation unfolding and should act accordingly.
The cyclist should be able to hear / sense the car, even if he's too daft to throw a life saver, and act accordingly.
MWM3 said:
Oh no! You have become a dashcam tt.
Even honking at the guy in the first clip was OTT but to actually bother to upload it to youtube and then post here is just a bit sad
Exactly! I had a camera installed and now I'm a dashcam warrior! I'm just demonstrating my point of how easy it is to make a deal out of something you know you've got recorded that you'd otherwise drive past and forget about. t.Even honking at the guy in the first clip was OTT but to actually bother to upload it to youtube and then post here is just a bit sad
To be fair, I would have I honked the guy in the first clip with or without a camera. Sitting in a right hand filter turn lane for a little while whilst not observing it's actually closed from the bollards. Deserves to get honked at.
ashleyman said:
Exactly! I had a camera installed and now I'm a dashcam warrior! I'm just demonstrating my point of how easy it is to make a deal out of something you know you've got recorded that you'd otherwise drive past and forget about.
To be fair, I would have I honked the guy in the first clip with or without a camera. Sitting in a right hand filter turn lane for a little while whilst not observing it's actually closed from the bollards. Deserves to get honked at.
Shania Twain though???To be fair, I would have I honked the guy in the first clip with or without a camera. Sitting in a right hand filter turn lane for a little while whilst not observing it's actually closed from the bollards. Deserves to get honked at.
WilliamWoollard said:
ashleyman said:
Exactly! I had a camera installed and now I'm a dashcam warrior! I'm just demonstrating my point of how easy it is to make a deal out of something you know you've got recorded that you'd otherwise drive past and forget about.
To be fair, I would have I honked the guy in the first clip with or without a camera. Sitting in a right hand filter turn lane for a little while whilst not observing it's actually closed from the bollards. Deserves to get honked at.
Shania Twain though???To be fair, I would have I honked the guy in the first clip with or without a camera. Sitting in a right hand filter turn lane for a little while whilst not observing it's actually closed from the bollards. Deserves to get honked at.
Stickyfinger said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Unsurprisingly, I am going to agree with you about the majority of the roundabout clips.
It is very simple really; the majority of motorists do not know how to handle the majority of roundabout situations, combined with the majority of motorists either do not signal their intent, or if they appear to be doing so, they are probably signalling incorrectly.
The classic examples being signalling for exit while continuing past several exits, or signalling to continue around and exiting while still signalling right.
All that being said, the easiest way to deal with it, and anyone who rides will recognise this, drive as though they are all targeting you personally, and adjust your own driving accordingly.
Almost every one (not quite all this time I think), of the roundabout events were non-events exacerbated by the dashcam drivers, or to look at it another way; events that could easily have been non-events had the dashcam driver chosen to drive just slightly differently.
As you suggest, as annoying as it may feel in the instant, lifting off for a moment isn't likely to cause the end of the world, or even spoil the rest of one's day.
ThisIt is very simple really; the majority of motorists do not know how to handle the majority of roundabout situations, combined with the majority of motorists either do not signal their intent, or if they appear to be doing so, they are probably signalling incorrectly.
The classic examples being signalling for exit while continuing past several exits, or signalling to continue around and exiting while still signalling right.
All that being said, the easiest way to deal with it, and anyone who rides will recognise this, drive as though they are all targeting you personally, and adjust your own driving accordingly.
Almost every one (not quite all this time I think), of the roundabout events were non-events exacerbated by the dashcam drivers, or to look at it another way; events that could easily have been non-events had the dashcam driver chosen to drive just slightly differently.
As you suggest, as annoying as it may feel in the instant, lifting off for a moment isn't likely to cause the end of the world, or even spoil the rest of one's day.
I would bet that 99.9 (recurring)% of Dashcam drivers in these clips have, along with everyone else, found themselves in the first two categories at times and, based on their uploaded clips, I'd put lots of them in the third category and quite a few in the fourth one too.
Dashcam driver heal thyself!!
Edited by Mike_Mac on Sunday 25th September 12:12
gforceg said:
Garvin said:
Yes it does. But why 50/50? How about this analogy. A car is driving along the left hand lane of a dual carriageway approaching a slower car in front. Another faster travelling car is in the right hand lane and is about to overtake the car in the left hand lane (approaching the slower car) when it pulls out without looking or indicating to overtake the slower vehicle and contacts the car in the right hand lane which is already overtaking. Who is at fault?
Your analogy is specious because a car in L2 of a DC is already established in that lane and the car which tries to pull into the L2 should wait.In the case being discussed both car and overtaking bike want to use the same patch of contested road.
The car driver can see the situation unfolding and should act accordingly.
The cyclist should be able to hear / sense the car, even if he's too daft to throw a life saver, and act accordingly.
ashleyman said:
The first bit of driving I caught was just rubbish planning and poor observation, people in a right hand turn lane trying to turn into a close petrol garage with cones and bollards up. Then one guy pulled over and was blocking the road a little as he couldn't go any further. I did the whole dash cam warrior thing and gave him a beep because it was just totally rubbish observation. https://youtu.be/xmpgrrbV9kA
In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
I was going to make a post here about your driving, Ash. I had to'd and fro'd about it for a bit, debating whether - no matter how carefully and non-judgementally I phrased things - I would come across like a bellend. In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
Edited by ashleyman on Sunday 25th September 00:12
I thought I'd have a go at authoring something and see how it read.
Just as I was editing your post as I have done in the quote above, I read your last line, "saying something isn't going to make any difference".
Sage advice, young man.
MWM3 said:
ashleyman said:
You'd be surprised, I had a dash cam fitted yesterday and on the way home last night I caught 2 bits of dodgy driving and today it caught a bit of road rage between 2 cars in front of me. Most of the time I would have driven past, ignored it and forgotten about it. The fact it's recorded does make you think more about it though rather than instantly forgetting. Even the installer said it does alter the way you drive but of course if he was in the wrong that camera would instantly be out of memory or wasn't recording. I'd probably be the same to some degree if something was my fault.
The first bit of driving I caught was just rubbish planning and poor observation, people in a right hand turn lane trying to turn into a close petrol garage with cones and bollards up. Then one guy pulled over and was blocking the road a little as he couldn't go any further. I did the whole dash cam warrior thing and gave him a beep because it was just totally rubbish observation. https://youtu.be/xmpgrrbV9kA
The second was a truck just being a truck! I was late to react as I was looking behind me but still the clip got logged as an event and I saved it for later, mainly to show what the camera looked like at night time with some realistic footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK9CJ7sFBU
In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
Oh no! You have become a dashcam tThe first bit of driving I caught was just rubbish planning and poor observation, people in a right hand turn lane trying to turn into a close petrol garage with cones and bollards up. Then one guy pulled over and was blocking the road a little as he couldn't go any further. I did the whole dash cam warrior thing and gave him a beep because it was just totally rubbish observation. https://youtu.be/xmpgrrbV9kA
The second was a truck just being a truck! I was late to react as I was looking behind me but still the clip got logged as an event and I saved it for later, mainly to show what the camera looked like at night time with some realistic footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LK9CJ7sFBU
In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
Edited by ashleyman on Sunday 25th September 00:12
t.Even honking at the guy in the first clip was OTT but to actually bother to upload it to youtube and then post here is just a bit sad
Garvin said:
Unfortunately we can't see what was unfolding behind the cyclist but the extremely short time at which the car hoves into view leads me to believe that the car was already established in an overtaking move. On that basis the analogy is not specious at all.
If we accept your assumption then that means the car driver wasn't acting according to what he could see in front of him (a cyclist clearly about to overtake another cyclist).Anyway, it's a nice day out there so I'm off.
ferrariF50lover said:
ashleyman said:
The first bit of driving I caught was just rubbish planning and poor observation, people in a right hand turn lane trying to turn into a close petrol garage with cones and bollards up. Then one guy pulled over and was blocking the road a little as he couldn't go any further. I did the whole dash cam warrior thing and gave him a beep because it was just totally rubbish observation. https://youtu.be/xmpgrrbV9kA
In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
I was going to make a post here about your driving, Ash. I had to'd and fro'd about it for a bit, debating whether - no matter how carefully and non-judgementally I phrased things - I would come across like a bellend. In the case with the cyclist, I don't think the cyclist could have predicted that the car would overtake. As a cyclist, I wouldn't have but I would have shoulder checked. As a driver I'd have seen a faster cyclist approach a slower cyclist and expect the overtake from the cyclist. Perhaps the driver was right tight against the cyclist and the pass was closer because of bad planning, we won't know. The blue car does overtake and then slow though so he wasn't completely oblivious unless he really is just a crap driver. I expect though that the blue driver overtook closely on purpose and slowed to get a reaction from the cyclist.
To stop and have an argument and throw incorrect statements around from the highway code is just pointless and time wasting. You didn't get hit, saying something isn't going to make any difference so just filter through the traffic back to the front and get on with your life!
Edited by ashleyman on Sunday 25th September 00:12
I thought I'd have a go at authoring something and see how it read.
Just as I was editing your post as I have done in the quote above, I read your last line, "saying something isn't going to make any difference".
Sage advice, young man.
Unlike the blue car driver and the cyclist I am open to criticism as I know full well I'm a bit of a crap driver!
I dont understand the point of most of the UK dashcam footage. The roads are busy, signage and lane marking is often poor, people make mistakes. Dash cammers would be better dpending their efforts on planning anx pre-emption rather than getting high and mighty and trying to instruct others on their driving and then publicly demonstating their knobbishness by posting on u tube.
Some people need a life!
Some people need a life!
blueg33 said:
I dont understand the point of most of the UK dashcam footage. The roads are busy, signage and lane marking is often poor, people make mistakes.
I must admit, there is a lot of footage out there of people simply making mistakes. Don't get me wrong, there's a good percentage of driving worth seeing in these videos but that consists mainly of stupid road rage, pure idiocy and genuinely terrible driving. There's a hell of a lot of 'filler' in these videos made up of people just making the odd error. Not indicative of their driving as a whole and not really something worth putting up on the internet!
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