The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol II

The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol II

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WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.

LocoCoco

1,428 posts

176 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Blakewater said:
Illegal tints aren't the worst thing in the world in my opinion but we all have our own ideas about what transgressions are worth punishing and what should be overlooked.

That to me looked like a deliberately aggressive move on the part of the RR driver to force his way through. If he'd made a mistake he should have indicated and moved out safely if possible or made the left turn and turned around later.

It wouldn't be a one off either, it would be part of a habit of aggressive and selfish driving of the sort that eventually leads to accidents. More so than things like lane hogging which we complain about on here but are really little more than an inconvenience. If he gets away with that today, tomorrow he'll probably be overtaking into oncoming traffic while going round the wrong side of a traffic island. We can't complain about a lack of police on the roads and then expect police officers to turn a blind eye to aggressive driving when they see it.

Someone driving like that I would say is more likely to have something wrong with his car or drugs on him or be under the influence of alcohol than someone just driving along normally.
I agree about the under the influence bit but people who have things to hide (drugs, bald tires, no brake lights etc) tend to drive as normally as possible. They realize that making themselves stick out isn't going to help them get from A to B without keeping whatever it is they're hiding hidden. I'm sure the police know this though.

For me, driving like that is most likely due to stupidity, mistake + selfish attitude, road rage or lack of respect for the rules of the road. I was surprised that the police turned around to chase the RR and felt there must have been another reason for the pull. Not saying they didn't deserve to be stopped, just that I see cops ignoring (what I think is) worse than that regularly.


WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.
1st of....FU

Second....what speed/stopping distance....coasting at speed is still going to fast IF you cannot stop in time

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.
1st of....FU

Second....what speed/stopping distance....coasting at speed is still going to fast IF you cannot stop in time
Would you be making excuses for the st driving if the footage was taken from a car?

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.
1st of....FU

Second....what speed/stopping distance....coasting at speed is still going to fast IF you cannot stop in time
Would you be making excuses for the st driving if the footage was taken from a car?
Why does it matter.

Car is badly positioned, Lycraists are going at a stupid speed for that corner (on a shared road)

ALL involved make poor judgements and together they have an accident.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
Apparently positioning yourself so far across the road that there's insufficient room for an oncoming vehicle, and traveling at such a speed that you don't have either the time or grip to tighten your line is a cyclists idea of safety. No wonder their accident stats are so poor.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Mr2Mike said:
WinstonWolf said:
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
Apparently positioning yourself so far across the road that there's insufficient room for an oncoming vehicle, and traveling at such a speed that you don't have either the time or grip to tighten your line is a cyclists idea of safety. No wonder their accident stats are so poor.
Says the man who's never taken any additional driving training since he passed his test.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.
So what? Coasting at 50mph is still coasting, that doesn't make it "safe" or "appropriate for the road/conditions".


And as I wasn't lucky second time, maybe third time lucky: at what point was I excusing the st driving of the car?

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Stickyfinger said:
Why does it matter.

Car is badly positioned, Lycraists are going at a stupid speed for that corner (on a shared road)

ALL involved make poor judgements and together they have an accident.
This, this and this all over.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.
1st of....FU

Second....what speed/stopping distance....coasting at speed is still going to fast IF you cannot stop in time
Would you be making excuses for the st driving if the footage was taken from a car?
Why does it matter.

Car is badly positioned, Lycraists are going at a stupid speed for that corner (on a shared road)

ALL involved make poor judgements and together they have an accident.
Why does it matter? Because the moment anything is taken from a cyclists perspective people seem to excuse the st driving. If that footage was taken from a dashcam not one person would have stuck up for the driver.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Stickyfinger said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
SAFE..... wtf ?...at the speed the cyclists were going towards an unsighted corner, not clever

Just STUPID but typical of "groups" like this. Road racing on ANY form of transport is dangerous

Car driver is poor as well.
"Car driver is poor as well" rofl

They're all coasting you plonker.
1st of....FU

Second....what speed/stopping distance....coasting at speed is still going to fast IF you cannot stop in time
Would you be making excuses for the st driving if the footage was taken from a car?
Why does it matter.

Car is badly positioned, Lycraists are going at a stupid speed for that corner (on a shared road)

ALL involved make poor judgements and together they have an accident.
Why does it matter? Because the moment anything is taken from a cyclists perspective people seem to excuse the st driving. If that footage was taken from a dashcam not one person would have stuck up for the driver.
I would still blame both , so that's your theory out the window then

Centurion07

10,381 posts

247 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
And even that maximum visibility wasn't enough to prevent the collision, suggesting that maybe a lower speed would've been better...?

That said, if the clip IS from California then the driver is a fking cocksocket either way and needs a hammer to the face.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Centurion07 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
And even that maximum visibility wasn't enough to prevent the collision, suggesting that maybe a lower speed would've been better...?

That said, if the clip IS from California then the driver is a fking cocksocket either way and needs a hammer to the face.
That's my point, if you met the driver coming the other way when in your car it would be hard NOT to hammer them in the face.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

247 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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True, but my car has a hell of a bigger crumple zone and protection than my bike.

rscott

14,754 posts

191 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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Stickyfinger said:
Why does it matter.

Car is badly positioned, Lycraists are going at a stupid speed for that corner (on a shared road)

ALL involved make poor judgements and together they have an accident.
WTF is a 'shared road' ? This looked like a typical public road, with a car on completely the wrong side of it.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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rscott said:
Stickyfinger said:
Why does it matter.

Car is badly positioned, Lycraists are going at a stupid speed for that corner (on a shared road)

ALL involved make poor judgements and together they have an accident.
WTF is a 'shared road' ? This looked like a typical public road, with a car on completely the wrong side of it.
I'm guessing from the context, one that more than one type of user is allowed to use, e.g. not a dedicated cyclepath, not a closed race course, etc.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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eg....not a cycle/walkway

don't be a cock like ALL those involved in that clip

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Centurion07 said:
Perfectly positioned for speed, or safety? As a cyclist, which one is most important, especially on a public road? scratchchin
For safety. You position yourself for maximum visibility going into the bend.
And even that maximum visibility wasn't enough to prevent the collision, suggesting that maybe a lower speed would've been better...?

That said, if the clip IS from California then the driver is a fking cocksocket either way and needs a hammer to the face.
That's my point, if you met the driver coming the other way when in your car it would be hard NOT to hammer them in the face.
And my point is, with appropriate positioning and appropriate speed I would avoid crashing into them, whether or not they are driving badly.

Am I going to get an answer to my earlier (thrice-asked) question?
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