RE: TVR to offer carbon construction
Discussion
Moominator said:
Who is the finance/backer behind TVR?
300 people x £5,000 deposit each = £1,500,000"Businessman Les Edgar now owns TVR, and is developing the car in collaboration with Gordon Murray and Cosworth. Given the often troubled history of British sports car makers there is no guarantee that the revived TVR will be a success, but Edgar is bullish...."
You can bet your bottom dollar the venture is structured with very little in TVR itself. The company formally registered in UK is called TVR Automotive Ltd and is so small it has filed almost nothing. Murray's carbon company and Cosworth will surely both be independent contractors to limit their exposure if the whole thing implodes.
GetCarter said:
DonkeyApple said:
Moominator said:
Who is the finance/backer behind TVR?
My understanding is that there are a series of Surrey based backers of LE's ilk and he is the core figurehead.
A shame that Lotus don't appear to be taking on this tech, would appear to fit well with them (low weight/cost/volumes)
A Lotus instead of Yamaha badge on this would have been fantastic.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-s...
A Lotus instead of Yamaha badge on this would have been fantastic.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-s...
wemorgan said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
300 people x £5,000 deposit each = £1,500,000
That wouldn't even cover the design costs, let alone manufacture anything.I'm sceptical it will happen.
.... but lets say the number is £20,000,000 and they are going to build 250 cars a year.
20,000,000 / 500 = costs of £40,000 per car BEFORE you even get to the parts and labour to build them and BEFORE the dealer has received any profit. Terrifying.
What will parts and labour be to build a TVR? Another £40,000? After all an Ariel Atom is made out of nothing yet still costs the thick end of £50,000 on the road.
20,000,000 / 500 = costs of £40,000 per car BEFORE you even get to the parts and labour to build them and BEFORE the dealer has received any profit. Terrifying.
What will parts and labour be to build a TVR? Another £40,000? After all an Ariel Atom is made out of nothing yet still costs the thick end of £50,000 on the road.
I love some of these comments, especially the comparison to BMW.
In 1992 TVR made the V8S. Its bonnet didn't open properly and there might even have been the odd noise and squeak. But - guess what. It was a fraction of the cost of a Ferrari and was actually faster.
Not bad for a few blokes in Blackpool with a landrover 4 litre V8, some glass fibre, a bit of tubular steel and box section and a few bits out of ford and sherpa van parts bins.
I really hope its slightly brutal and rough around the edges - but still faster, noisier and made in Britain in a British way..
In 1992 TVR made the V8S. Its bonnet didn't open properly and there might even have been the odd noise and squeak. But - guess what. It was a fraction of the cost of a Ferrari and was actually faster.
Not bad for a few blokes in Blackpool with a landrover 4 litre V8, some glass fibre, a bit of tubular steel and box section and a few bits out of ford and sherpa van parts bins.
I really hope its slightly brutal and rough around the edges - but still faster, noisier and made in Britain in a British way..
danp said:
A shame that Lotus don't appear to be taking on this tech, would appear to fit well with them (low weight/cost/volumes)
A Lotus instead of Yamaha badge on this would have been fantastic.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-s...
Every time Yamaha turn out a concept car I want it so badly. Yet they never do anything. A Lotus instead of Yamaha badge on this would have been fantastic.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-s...
Top Gear TVR said:
I love some of these comments, especially the comparison to BMW.
In 1992 TVR made the V8S. Its bonnet didn't open properly and there might even have been the odd noise and squeak. But - guess what. It was a fraction of the cost of a Ferrari and was actually faster.
Not bad for a few blokes in Blackpool with a landrover 4 litre V8, some glass fibre, a bit of tubular steel and box section and a few bits out of ford and sherpa van parts bins.
I really hope its slightly brutal and rough around the edges - but still faster, noisier and made in Britain in a British way..
you're not wrong.In 1992 TVR made the V8S. Its bonnet didn't open properly and there might even have been the odd noise and squeak. But - guess what. It was a fraction of the cost of a Ferrari and was actually faster.
Not bad for a few blokes in Blackpool with a landrover 4 litre V8, some glass fibre, a bit of tubular steel and box section and a few bits out of ford and sherpa van parts bins.
I really hope its slightly brutal and rough around the edges - but still faster, noisier and made in Britain in a British way..
unfortunately, we are not in 1992 any longer, things have moved on, a LONG way. Have a look at the performance and real world usability / reliability of say a 488, and you can see the mountain TVR have to climb....
RoverP6B said:
Not sure, but that isn't a road car. It's a barely-legal track car, in the same way as a Caterham or Ariel Atom is. Engineering a road car that has to be weather-tight, air-conditioned etc is a very different kettle of fish.
How are Atoms or Caterhams barely legal. They are legal or not. Is this another one of your special definitions, which you ultimately tie yourself in knots trying to reason? RoverP6B said:
They go through a different homologation process to normal production cars, the low volume of production exempting them from various rules which apply to normal cars. You don't think a barely-altered 1950s Lotus Seven would pass current EU rules, do you?!
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