Davanti Tyres

[sparkythecat]

TooMany2cvs said:

Two-second google finds
Same manufacturer as LandSail etc? Furry muff. Just ask yourself this - if their own brand are nasty teflon/concrete ste, then what're the odds they're capable of producing MUCH better stuff for some random bulk-order-name-on-side

A two-second google also finds that Landsail tyres aren't all bad
http://www.tyrepress.com/2015/03/landsail-beats-mi...

[rodericb]

r11co said:

It's the cheap tyre thread - again.

Yes. Yes it is. They have been around as long as the internet
And
They
Always
Say
The
Same
Thing.

Including the 'ooh hot giggity just you wait they'll be the best in the world just you wait....' reply. For as long as there are tightarses who want to cheap out there'll be people pumping out product for them. And these threads will continue to pop up, rinse and repeat.

[r11co]

rodericb said:

Yes. Yes it is. They have been around as long as the internet
And
They
Always
Say
The
Same
Thing.

Including the 'ooh hot giggity just you wait they'll be the best in the world just you wait....' reply. For as long as there are tightarses who want to cheap out there'll be people pumping out product for them. And these threads will continue to pop up, rinse and repeat.

In the interest of balance, there will also be those who will say 'I spend my entire disposable income plus my savings and pension fund on X brand tyres, they are the only thing keeping you on the road y'know'.

[anonymous-user]

wemorgan said:

Davanti website does not show 275 35 19.
There is no 'Dry' EU rating for any tyre.
Ratings are A-G, not %
The 245 40 19 are; C fuel efficiency, B wet grip, 98db
Tyre testing is self certified - read in to that what you will.

Hell's Teeth, that's LOUD! About 500 times louder than the average tyre...

[r11co]

280E said:

Hell's Teeth, that's LOUD! About 500 times louder than the average tyre...

Typo. Correct figure is 68dB

[TooMany2cvs]

r11co said:

The article you linked to mentions that Oak Tyres have put their own R+D team over in China

You're reading a different article to me, then.

The one I read says...

A lightly-reworded press release said:

UK distributor Oak Tyres launches Davanti brand
New tire brand Davanti has revealed details of its first two European-focused products designed for passenger cars and SUVs
by Rachel Evans

Recently established tire brand Davanti is to launch its first two European-focused products this month. The DX390 (pictured) passenger car and SUV rubber is designed to provide high levels of fuel efficiency and comfort. The DX640 is optimized for maximum grip.
Davanti was established around two years ago by experts at Oak Tyres – a UK-based distributor – which has been importing products to the UK for over 35 years. Davanti’s general manager, Peter Cross, explained, “We thought it was time to develop our own brand, and that came about because we had noticed that there are a lot of new factories coming online in China with fantastic technology. We wanted to bring together our knowledge of the European market with their manufacturing expertise.”
Davanti’s tight-knit development team of eight is based in Qingdao, China, and it has sales and marketing offices in Shanghai, China, and Merseyside, UK. Its manufacturing partner, also in Qingdao, has state-of-the-art facilities such as Krupp-supplied mixers and tire building machines from VMI.
In July, Davanti will also introduce its new tire for hackney carriages, predominantly used in the UK. The DX420 took around 18 months to develop and is designed for longevity; in testing it was able to withstand 120,000km.
“We tested the tire using a VMI abrasion test machine, which was rented out for this purpose. The tire only went into production in April, so we’re looking to do real road testing in the next month,” Cross said.
Davanti will also launch a new rugged van tire later in the year.

Let's read that together.

"Davanti was established ... by experts at Oak Tree" - so they made a brand name up in the UK. Woo.
"Davanti's tight-knit development team of eight is based in Qingdao, and it has sales and marketing offices in Shanghai and Merseyside" - so nothing but sales & marketing outside Qingdao, and no word on the dev team's origins. Woo.
"Its manufacturing partner, also in Qingdao" - so they're contracting out production - to the people who make Landsail, you say? Woo.

Great. A dev team of eight, with contracted-out production. And some Scouse sales guys.

Oh, and the tyre's in production before they've even road-tested it.

Move over, Michelin.

[wemorgan]

280E said:

Hell's Teeth, that's LOUD! About 500 times louder than the average tyre...

Oops sorry.

68db it should have said.

[Mr2Mike]

ljw2k said:

New EU tyre labelling means every tyre is put through the same test Michelins , Pirelli , Dunlops or Davanti if they have the EU labelling they must all go through the same test and wet grip is 100% not even the branded tyres or should I say most of them do that.

There is no independent test body for the EU tyre rating system, tyre manufacturers provide their own ratings. They are virtually worthless.

Don't feel bad that you've been duped into buying (quite expensive) no-name Chinese tyres, as I said before many tyre re-sellers will just tell you what you want to hear if it helps them sell tyres with the highest mark up. You'll know for next time.

TooMany2cvs said:

Move over, Michelin.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Sunday 24th January 10:49

[r11co]

TooMany2cvs said:

Blah

We get your point. Closed mind. No point in discussing it with you.

By all means contribute again when you have some empirical test experience about the tyres in question.

[glasgowrob]

Thanks for the heads up but I'll stick with my rainsports and ps3s thanks

[TooMany2cvs]

r11co said:

We get your point. Closed mind. No point in discussing it with you.

Thank you for confirming your attitude, and your generous and fulsome apology for your comments based on your mis-reading of the article.

[r11co]

Mr2Mike said:

There is no independent test body for the EU tyre rating system, tyre manufacturers provide their own ratings. They are virtually worthless.

You are correct there is no independent test body, but as I said in a previous post there are EU recognised agencies who test tyres all year round (ADAC etc.) They publish the results periodically as consumer information, but any products demonstrably flouting rules regarding performance ratings will be reported to the relevant governing bodies.

It happens for other products too (such as energy ratings for electrical goods etc. - self certified in the knowledge that you could get away with flying under the radar, but market exposure means you probably won't).

[Silent1]

r11co said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Blah

We get your point. Closed mind. No point in discussing it with you.

By all means contribute again when you have some empirical test experience about the tyres in question.

As you're so bloody confident why don't you? Because right now you're shouting if you haven't owned it you can't have an opinion.
I think we can all agree that ththe majority of Chinese tyres are crap and therefore until they improve as a whole or one brand comes out and proves its amazing then people will be entitled to claim that Chinese tyres are crap.

[r11co]

TooMany2cvs said:

r11co said:

We get your point. Closed mind. No point in discussing it with you.

Thank you for confirming your attitude, and your generous and fulsome apology for your comments based on your mis-reading of the article.

As I said, when you've something to say specifically about the tyres in question then your comments will have some value.

Until then....

[r11co]

Silent1 said:

I think we can all agree that ththe majority of Chinese tyres are crap

Consensus is evidence.

A vast number of people on the planet believe in a supreme being as well.

Silent1 said:

As you're so bloody confident why don't you? Because right now you're shouting if you haven't owned it you can't have an opinion.

So the burden of proof is on the person not expressing an opinion about them either way? Flawed logic.

[anonymous-user]

Does anyone know of any published statistics which show that a high proportion of collisions or injuries/deaths are directly attributable to the fitting of 'non-premium' tyres?

[TooMany2cvs]

r11co said:

As I said, when you've something to say specifically about the tyres in question then your comments will have some value.

Until then....

What's sauce for the goose, et al.

I've produced a trade press article describing their setup. You've read that, and claimed it says something it doesn't. I've shown you my working. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to show me yours?

Unless and until there is some kind of evidence that these tyres are anything more than just a piece of bullst marketing behind yet more off-brand ste, then Occam's Razor applies as firmly as ever.

You're the one shouting the odds about them bucking the trend, and demanding personal experience... Well?

On the last page, you admitted you hadn't heard of them, but went on to say...

R11co said:

The makers of these tyres are not stupid, and they know they will be put through tests so they have to put in a decent performance.

Several people have reminded you that the EU labels are self-certified.

A quick google finds them being sold for about £45 for 205/55 16.
http://blacknrounds.com/store/product/get-10-off-2...

Or, for about three quid per tyre more, you could have Continental. For anything up to almost a tenner less PER TYRE, you could have Uniroyal, Cooper, Avon, Vredestein, Yokohama.
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s291p0/

So... are you going to put your money where your mouth is and buy a set, so you can report how right you were? Because I sure as hell won't be bothering.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Sunday 24th January 11:06

[Silent1]

r11co said:

Silent1 said:

I think we can all agree that ththe majority of Chinese tyres are crap

Consensus is evidence.

A vast number of people on the planet believe in a supreme being as well.

But we can empirically prove Chinese tyres are crap, so equating it to belief in a supreme being is an incredibly poor analogy.

[r11co]

Silent1 said:

But we can empirically prove Chinese tyres are crap.

So you are saying there is a causal link between tyres being manufactured in China and them being crap?

[TooMany2cvs]

r11co said:

Silent1 said:

But we can empirically prove Chinese tyres are crap.

So you are saying there is a causal link between tyres being manufactured in China and them being crap?

No, but there IS a whole raft of both evidence and direct experience that the vast, vast, vast majority of importer's own-brand contract-produced Far Eastern tyres are crap.

So why are these the ones that buck the trend...? There is no evidence that they're anything different.