RE: Porsche 718 Boxster - full details
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J4CKO said:
I agree, but most of the time, driving is easier with more accessible shove more of the time, its the small percentage of time when you are giving it some stick that most seem to be worrying about, its why diesels are so popular, I am hoping Porsche havent ruined the Boxsters main selling point whilst improving it for most people, more of the time.
I reckon they know what they are doing, but they did sign the Panamera and CaYenne styling off, so who knows.
That'll be the Cayenne, the biggest selling Porsche model ;-)I reckon they know what they are doing, but they did sign the Panamera and CaYenne styling off, so who knows.
they know exactly what they are doing.
Fish said:
10 years ago you would never sell an expensive 4 pot. BMW have sold loads of 1.5l i8s at over £100k (granted not for me but...) There are very few "sports" cars in the £50k bracket and I think Porsche have a good product. We as traditionalists may moan but we are the vast minority of people that buy. I'm just glad they offer a manual as I can't stand auto's PDK included...
Not sure about that, the 944 Turbo /TurboS was near £40,000 in the late 80s/ early 90s and they sold pretty well. In fact I think it was within a couple of thousand pounds of the 964 Carrera 2.RoverP6B said:
Again - is it still possible to order a new Cockster with a six-cylinder engine?
If not, I'd buy a Mustang 5.0 instead.
I dont think you are perhaps Porsches target market then, I think they will henceforth all be 4 cyl turbos based on the article, in two states of tune, normal 300 bhp and S with 350.If not, I'd buy a Mustang 5.0 instead.
velocgee said:
GroundEffect said:
PGM said:
It is a petrol engine though, able to rev higher, that is where the power band takes over, surely? Torque at bottom, power at top?
That's not how engines work.I felt that Porsche absolutely nailed the looks of the Boxster with the 981. but sorry, the 718 looks like a step backwards (maybe it will look better in the metal).
Edited by velocgee on Wednesday 27th January 13:26
At 800rpm or 8000rpm, they're producing nothing but torque. Power just gives us an idea how...useful that torque is.
If you've got a small torque value but a huge power figure (i.e. old naturally aspirated F1 cars that had 300Nm but 750BHP) then you can stick some tall gearing on there to get that thing to get lots of force at the wheels. Conversely, if you've got big torque but comparatively small power output (a turbo diesel), your engine will be very good but will require a very slick set of gearing to get a lot of out of it...hence why you tend to need to change gear a lot in modern diesels.
GroundEffect said:
Gandahar said:
GroundEffect said:
That's a VERY good looking car. I didn't think they could improve on the 981.
I very much doubt it.Gandahar said:
They put a cheaper engine in and then put the prices up by 5% and more....
The turbo unit is probably more expensive than the flat 6.Gandahar said:
GroundEffect said:
Gandahar said:
GroundEffect said:
That's a VERY good looking car. I didn't think they could improve on the 981.
I very much doubt it.Gandahar said:
They put a cheaper engine in and then put the prices up by 5% and more....
The turbo unit is probably more expensive than the flat 6.A six cylinder has, what? About 50-ish extra parts, all parts that are still made and used in the remaining four cylinders (pistons, conrods, valves, followers, etc.). I can imagine the turbo gubbins adds a fair amount back in that part count and they are additional 'unique' parts (not used elsewhere in the engine so no greater economy of scale). Additional electrickery, too.
As a (distant) example, Ford's 1.6 Sigma was about £1600ish as a crate engine; the 1.0 Ecoboost which fills the same role is (or was) nearer £7k, and that was with one cylinder fewer.
Gandahar said:
GroundEffect said:
Gandahar said:
GroundEffect said:
That's a VERY good looking car. I didn't think they could improve on the 981.
I very much doubt it.Gandahar said:
They put a cheaper engine in and then put the prices up by 5% and more....
The turbo unit is probably more expensive than the flat 6.I cant imagine the new engine costs any less to make.
350 bhp in a Boxster, thats what 911s were making not that long ago, 997.1 Carrera S made 355.
Will be interesting to see what can be done with a change of software, 400 plus bhp Boxster ?
The increase in torque is absolutely immense. 
With power figures like this a standard 718 Cayman S on Cup tyres could very well get close to the GT4's 7:45 on the Nürburgring.
It won't sound as nice and probably won't be as "emotional" to drive but I'm sure it'll go like stink.
I'm also pleased to see both engines get VTG turbos.
A 15% remap would not be unheard of for an engine with these specs and 403 PS/483Nm would be quite something in a relatively small RWD mid engine entry level sports car. Of course we have to wait and see if the tuners can even crack the encryption, etc.
PS: The article mentions a retractable spoiler but it looks fixed to me. I haven't seen a single picture (press or spyshot) of it retracted.
With power figures like this a standard 718 Cayman S on Cup tyres could very well get close to the GT4's 7:45 on the Nürburgring.
It won't sound as nice and probably won't be as "emotional" to drive but I'm sure it'll go like stink.
I'm also pleased to see both engines get VTG turbos.
A 15% remap would not be unheard of for an engine with these specs and 403 PS/483Nm would be quite something in a relatively small RWD mid engine entry level sports car. Of course we have to wait and see if the tuners can even crack the encryption, etc.
PS: The article mentions a retractable spoiler but it looks fixed to me. I haven't seen a single picture (press or spyshot) of it retracted.
Slow day at the office so I've attempted to overlay the old 981 Boxster power curve over the new one. Wasn't easy because the scales are completely off but you get the idea even though it may not be 100% accurate.
More power throughout the band, peaks slightly earlier but obviously higher and most importantly the "flat spot" is finally gone.
and torque:
More power throughout the band, peaks slightly earlier but obviously higher and most importantly the "flat spot" is finally gone.
and torque:
Edited by EricE on Wednesday 27th January 14:36
unsprung said:
Reflecting for a moment on the engineering of all this...
The horsepower and torque are impressive whilst the CO2 figures are outright astonishing.
Imagine the CO2 and other emissions on a similarly-powerful vehicle of 50 years ago. Or even on a modestly-powerful vehicle of that time.
Yeah but its all rubbish innit. Subaru were doing this 15 years ago... ;-)The horsepower and torque are impressive whilst the CO2 figures are outright astonishing.
Imagine the CO2 and other emissions on a similarly-powerful vehicle of 50 years ago. Or even on a modestly-powerful vehicle of that time.
There's nothing worse than aspiration luddites. Such is their immense level of talent, knowledge and supreme taste, they simply cannot derive pleasure in a vehicle with anything less than a Maranello V12. Ooh the responsiveness that I cannot live without! Pious superior nerds holding back advancement.
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