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RobDickinson said:
People are not getting safer at driving.
Self driving cars will.
Tesla have a very high minimum standard of safety before their self driving functions are not beta. Far far safer than people
They are though, driving is already very safe and much safer then 10 years ago - there have been no fatalities (literally nothing) around where I live or even injured afaik. There comes a point where you don't need to spend billions making it even safer surely?Self driving cars will.
Tesla have a very high minimum standard of safety before their self driving functions are not beta. Far far safer than people
FYI:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Regardless of that autonomous cars appear to be on their way. Will be interesting to see how it pans out as afaik the public aren't demanding them, the companies concerned are simply plowing on with it and perhaps hoping to create demand as they go!
TX.
Terminator X said:
They are though, driving is already very safe and much safer then 10 years ago - there have been no fatalities (literally nothing) around where I live or even injured afaik. There comes a point where you don't need to spend billions making it even safer surely?
FYI:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Regardless of that autonomous cars appear to be on their way. Will be interesting to see how it pans out as afaik the public aren't demanding them, the companies concerned are simply plowing on with it and perhaps hoping to create demand as they go!
TX.
That's the because of safer cars and roads. Abs, dsp, stronger cabins, Better crumple zones, airbags, stronger speed enforcement etc etc. FYI:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Regardless of that autonomous cars appear to be on their way. Will be interesting to see how it pans out as afaik the public aren't demanding them, the companies concerned are simply plowing on with it and perhaps hoping to create demand as they go!
TX.
This ^^
By the way - I'm not completely for automated cars - I enjoy driving (hence why I frequent here!) but the safety side of it is a no brainer.
The more interesting side of the discussion is the moral decision that someone has to make - for example;
Do you hit the lorry head on and kill all the occupants in the vehicle, or do you swerve into the bus stop with a queue of people ?
Now what if the vehicle had one elderly person in it and the bus stop was full of children? Or vice Versa?
When the technology gets to a level where it can detect this someone will be making those decisions, and at some point each life will be assigned a cost.
By the way - I'm not completely for automated cars - I enjoy driving (hence why I frequent here!) but the safety side of it is a no brainer.
The more interesting side of the discussion is the moral decision that someone has to make - for example;
Do you hit the lorry head on and kill all the occupants in the vehicle, or do you swerve into the bus stop with a queue of people ?
Now what if the vehicle had one elderly person in it and the bus stop was full of children? Or vice Versa?
When the technology gets to a level where it can detect this someone will be making those decisions, and at some point each life will be assigned a cost.
a7x88 said:
You said it yourself - the bugs will be ironed out. Humans however have not improved significantly over the years. The records already show the few bugs in the programme designed by humans (yes there are and will be mistakes in something as complex as this - you are right) still make for a safer method of transport per mile.
Now bear in mind this is beta - tesla have stated it will stop being beta when it's safety record is 10x that of humans. So one fatal every 1000million miles.
Humans have no hope of achieving that. An constantly improving "script" does. It shouldn't make the same mistake twice.
You cannot irradiate the risk if you want to travel by car. The aim is not to irradiate it. But to significantly reduce it. 10x less likely to die - yes please
Do you by any chance mean eradicate rather than irradiate, has modern technology changed things for you already?Now bear in mind this is beta - tesla have stated it will stop being beta when it's safety record is 10x that of humans. So one fatal every 1000million miles.
Humans have no hope of achieving that. An constantly improving "script" does. It shouldn't make the same mistake twice.
You cannot irradiate the risk if you want to travel by car. The aim is not to irradiate it. But to significantly reduce it. 10x less likely to die - yes please
a7x88 said:
This ^^
By the way - I'm not completely for automated cars - I enjoy driving (hence why I frequent here!) but the safety side of it is a no brainer.
The more interesting side of the discussion is the moral decision that someone has to make - for example;
Do you hit the lorry head on and kill all the occupants in the vehicle, or do you swerve into the bus stop with a queue of people ?
Now what if the vehicle had one elderly person in it and the bus stop was full of children? Or vice Versa?
When the technology gets to a level where it can detect this someone will be making those decisions, and at some point each life will be assigned a cost.
An autonomous car will be much less likely to have to make that choice in the first place, and humans don't make that choice now. In that situation a human just slams on the brakes and try's to avoid any accident. This is just a straw man argument.By the way - I'm not completely for automated cars - I enjoy driving (hence why I frequent here!) but the safety side of it is a no brainer.
The more interesting side of the discussion is the moral decision that someone has to make - for example;
Do you hit the lorry head on and kill all the occupants in the vehicle, or do you swerve into the bus stop with a queue of people ?
Now what if the vehicle had one elderly person in it and the bus stop was full of children? Or vice Versa?
When the technology gets to a level where it can detect this someone will be making those decisions, and at some point each life will be assigned a cost.
Shirley the "dealership forecourt" would just be an Apple store in the middle of some busy shopping center.
Any test drives would end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1fWAfNEMfk
Any test drives would end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1fWAfNEMfk
SteveSteveson said:
An autonomous car will be much less likely to have to make that choice in the first place, and humans don't make that choice now. In that situation a human just slams on the brakes and try's to avoid any accident. This is just a straw man argument.
It is far less likely to need to make that decision - it doesn't mean it won't have to. A human doesn't just slam on the brakes - they will swerve etc as self preservation kicks in due to natural instinct.The scenario is far fetched but the underlying principles of someone programming it to deal with situations in a certain way will have to be decided. Does the car just slam on its brakes? Does it swerve like a human might/would? Does it calculate for other human presence etc etc?
Will car makers be free to make these programming decisions or will they be regulated/governed. If not Car X may then be programmed to save the driver at all costs - car Y may make calculated decisions based upon potential casualties etc.
Muddle238 said:
Shirley the "dealership forecourt" would just be an Apple store in the middle of some busy shopping center.
Any test drives would end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1fWAfNEMfk
ahem... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzYopnwSsQAny test drives would end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1fWAfNEMfk
ooid said:
It's clear when you look at this buyers guide and see how old most of Apple's products are, that they have been doing something else for quite a while. They've spent a lot of money finding out they don't want to do the car thing 
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#iOS
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Other
mstrbkr said:
ooid said:
It's clear when you look at this buyers guide and see how old most of Apple's products are, that they have been doing something else for quite a while. They've spent a lot of money finding out they don't want to do the car thing http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#iOS
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Other
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