RE: Ferrari 360Challenge Stradale : Spotted
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No-one's disputing Ferrari's place among the great car makers, only the 360CS's place among the great Ferraris.
I have many Ferraris in my dream garage. But no room for a Mondial, 550 Maranello, 348, California nor any version of the 360.
http://www.carcrushing.com/10-worst-ferraris-time/
Actually I take that back. A Mondial would at least be hilarious.
I have many Ferraris in my dream garage. But no room for a Mondial, 550 Maranello, 348, California nor any version of the 360.
http://www.carcrushing.com/10-worst-ferraris-time/
Actually I take that back. A Mondial would at least be hilarious.
Edited by twinturban on Friday 29th January 18:41
Oh dear, in a sea of "too cool for school"ers I'm afraid I desperately hanker after a 360CS. I did look at quite a few standard cars a few years back but for one reason or another it didn't happen & funds have never been full enough for a CS itself.
They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
J4CKO said:
Leins said:
J4CKO said:
It does seem to be a predictable formula, take a run of the mill performance model, make it a bit stiffer, a bit nosier, a bit lighter and give it a token amount more power, oh and you must add the letters C and S, optional throw in an L, that makes anything worth several times more than the one that is based on.
Then it becomes a chariot of the gods that mere mortals are not allowed to gaze upon, where the normal model is regarded as fit only for the Swine.
Why dont manufacturers make them all like this ? I am sure all the CS's and CSL's are more focused but I cant get my head round it being worth several times more, I can understand a premium but just seems its got a bit daft and its more about investment that a slightly pointer version, more about other people not being able to have one and being part of an exclusive club, then never driving it.
They all are significantly different from the "base" model, but in the case of the CSL there are things it doesn't do as well as the standard car. I suspect the same might be true of the 360CS. However, rarity and "specialness" do need to be factored in to the pricing to some degreeThen it becomes a chariot of the gods that mere mortals are not allowed to gaze upon, where the normal model is regarded as fit only for the Swine.
Why dont manufacturers make them all like this ? I am sure all the CS's and CSL's are more focused but I cant get my head round it being worth several times more, I can understand a premium but just seems its got a bit daft and its more about investment that a slightly pointer version, more about other people not being able to have one and being part of an exclusive club, then never driving it.
However, I do agree that when it gets to the point where the cars aren't being driven at all then it's all a bit silly. Such cars should only exist a single example in the manufacturer's museum IMO
The carbon brakes would be more difficult to replicate if not already fitted, not impossible but I suspect a full on aftermarket replacement would be more viable.
Throttle mapping, have changed that on cars before, not that hard to get done.
20 bhp improvement in power, cant be that difficult.
I know the end result wouldnt be a Challenge Stradale, but I bet you could get pretty close, as long as the base car didnt have the F1 gearbox, would help to have the genuine article nearby as a reference.
Or just buy a 458 Speciale for less, accepting you have missed the boat on this one ?
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/158419-36...
Unbelievable prices being asked. Having had a black Stradale, the car really isn't that great and in no way could ever be compared to an F40
Aside of the noise (it did sound great in Race Mode - but only in Race Mode) the rear end was very skittish at speed. I sold mine and went straight to a 997 GT3RS. The RS was a much quicker car in the real world. 99% of the CS's appeal is the exhaust
There are over 60 Testarossa's on the market - again, all for stupid money. This tells you one thing - it's time to get out. The reality is that it's already too late to get out. I'm a prolific car buyer / passion for supercars but there's no way i'd buy in to the ridiculous bubble that's happening at the moment. I think you'll find that most dealers aren't purchasing this stock as it's far too risky. Everything with the Dealers is SOR. All of my cars went last year with the last being my E-Type which sold at The Revival. Indeed, my E Type was amongst 5 others on display and all the other cars are still for sale some months on.
Aside of the noise (it did sound great in Race Mode - but only in Race Mode) the rear end was very skittish at speed. I sold mine and went straight to a 997 GT3RS. The RS was a much quicker car in the real world. 99% of the CS's appeal is the exhaust
There are over 60 Testarossa's on the market - again, all for stupid money. This tells you one thing - it's time to get out. The reality is that it's already too late to get out. I'm a prolific car buyer / passion for supercars but there's no way i'd buy in to the ridiculous bubble that's happening at the moment. I think you'll find that most dealers aren't purchasing this stock as it's far too risky. Everything with the Dealers is SOR. All of my cars went last year with the last being my E-Type which sold at The Revival. Indeed, my E Type was amongst 5 others on display and all the other cars are still for sale some months on.
Edited by Candellara on Saturday 30th January 18:57
Edited by Candellara on Saturday 30th January 19:00
k-ink said:
steve1386 said:
Why on earth would you buy one of these when you can have a F430 Scuderia for over £50k less...
More modern, more powerful, more advanced, just about as fast as an Enzo round Fiorano (If I remember correctly) and MUCH better looking!!
Because the world is funking nuts.More modern, more powerful, more advanced, just about as fast as an Enzo round Fiorano (If I remember correctly) and MUCH better looking!!
Why is a 250 SWB worth more than a 275 GTB, and a 275 GTB worth more than a Daytona, and all of them worth far more than any 360 or 430?
thegreenhell said:
k-ink said:
steve1386 said:
Why on earth would you buy one of these when you can have a F430 Scuderia for over £50k less...
More modern, more powerful, more advanced, just about as fast as an Enzo round Fiorano (If I remember correctly) and MUCH better looking!!
Because the world is funking nuts.More modern, more powerful, more advanced, just about as fast as an Enzo round Fiorano (If I remember correctly) and MUCH better looking!!
Why is a 250 SWB worth more than a 275 GTB, and a 275 GTB worth more than a Daytona, and all of them worth far more than any 360 or 430?
And dare I say the 250 swb looks better than the 275gtb, and the 275gtb looks better than the daytona.
?
k-ink said:
Because the world is funking nuts.
+99The complete top 10 sales at the Mecum Kissimmee 2016 auction include (individual prices do not include buyer’s premiums):
1.1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Convertible (Lot F109) at $2,675,000
2.1971 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Convertible (Lot F102) at $2,300,000
3.1970 Dodge Hemi Challenger R/T Convertible (Lot F111) at $1,650,000
4.1971 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (Lot F100) at $950,000
5.1963 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Tanker (Lot S160) at $710,000
6.1969 Dodge Hemi Coronet R/T Convertible (Lot F100) at $625,000
7.1969 Dodge Hemi Daytona (Lot F103) at $550,000
8.1970 Ford Torino King Cobra (Lot F104) at $525,000
9.1970 Plymouth Cuda Convertible (Lot F113) at $475,000
10.1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Convertible (Lot F114) at $450,000
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Oh dear, in a sea of "too cool for school"ers I'm afraid I desperately hanker after a 360CS. I did look at quite a few standard cars a few years back but for one reason or another it didn't happen & funds have never been full enough for a CS itself.
They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
This doesn't mean anything. There are more magnificent cars out there for half the price.They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
sparta6 said:
k-ink said:
Because the world is funking nuts.
+99The complete top 10 sales at the Mecum Kissimmee 2016 auction include (individual prices do not include buyer’s premiums):
1.1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Convertible (Lot F109) at $2,675,000
2.1971 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Convertible (Lot F102) at $2,300,000
3.1970 Dodge Hemi Challenger R/T Convertible (Lot F111) at $1,650,000
4.1971 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (Lot F100) at $950,000
5.1963 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Tanker (Lot S160) at $710,000
6.1969 Dodge Hemi Coronet R/T Convertible (Lot F100) at $625,000
7.1969 Dodge Hemi Daytona (Lot F103) at $550,000
8.1970 Ford Torino King Cobra (Lot F104) at $525,000
9.1970 Plymouth Cuda Convertible (Lot F113) at $475,000
10.1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Convertible (Lot F114) at $450,000
Isnt that the age of detroit "pig iron" tanks where cars were just pumped out?
Interesting what value means to different people, thanks for the list.
regarding the CS, not everyone wants 5 cars, three of them more average classics, they want one ultimate car.
Saying that, this is probably going to end up as a collector car for the most part, as all have said, pity!
ferrari auction ongoing for (mainly) accessible prices
http://auction.catawiki.com/ferrari-classic-car-au...
http://auction.catawiki.com/ferrari-classic-car-au...
cat with a hat said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Oh dear, in a sea of "too cool for school"ers I'm afraid I desperately hanker after a 360CS. I did look at quite a few standard cars a few years back but for one reason or another it didn't happen & funds have never been full enough for a CS itself.
They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
This doesn't mean anything. There are more magnificent cars out there for half the price.They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
TL;DR the post means I would love a 360CS and I think they're great. Should you have the required funds, it would be silly to overlook it simply for a value for money reason.
(Personally I feel that once above £100k there is no value for money in modern cars regardless, where the vehicle won't get you into events such as Classic Le Mans, Mille Miglia etc but that's another thread)
LaurasOtherHalf said:
cat with a hat said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Oh dear, in a sea of "too cool for school"ers I'm afraid I desperately hanker after a 360CS. I did look at quite a few standard cars a few years back but for one reason or another it didn't happen & funds have never been full enough for a CS itself.
They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
This doesn't mean anything. There are more magnificent cars out there for half the price.They are magnificent though and I can't understand anyone who has driven one in anger disagreeing. I have only passengered in one (a PH members) and the noise and acceleration as we flew down the fuchesröhre was bloody awesome
TL;DR the post means I would love a 360CS and I think they're great. Should you have the required funds, it would be silly to overlook it simply for a value for money reason.
(Personally I feel that once above £100k there is no value for money in modern cars regardless, where the vehicle won't get you into events such as Classic Le Mans, Mille Miglia etc but that's another thread)
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