RE: Is there hope for the 718 Boxster? PH Blog
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ORD said:
If someone can identify for me anything that comes close to making up for losing the following, I'll change my view that a 4 cyl turbo has no place in a Cayman / Boxster:-
(1) Gorgeous flat 6 engine note.
(2) Proper throttle response.
(3) Crescendo torque and power delivery.
There's nothing that comes close to making up for even one of those things, let alone all 3. MPGs? Who cares?! Torque? The 981 has loads of torque.
That's why I don't need to drive the car to know it's a massive step down the list of 'cars that I want to drive'. Below any modern Lotus, for a start.
I think you've summed it up for all enthusiasts, especially Porsche lovers. (1) Gorgeous flat 6 engine note.
(2) Proper throttle response.
(3) Crescendo torque and power delivery.
There's nothing that comes close to making up for even one of those things, let alone all 3. MPGs? Who cares?! Torque? The 981 has loads of torque.
That's why I don't need to drive the car to know it's a massive step down the list of 'cars that I want to drive'. Below any modern Lotus, for a start.
Badge lovers/posers however, that's a different matter.
SlimJim16v said:
ORD said:
If someone can identify for me anything that comes close to making up for losing the following, I'll change my view that a 4 cyl turbo has no place in a Cayman / Boxster:-
(1) Gorgeous flat 6 engine note.
(2) Proper throttle response.
(3) Crescendo torque and power delivery.
There's nothing that comes close to making up for even one of those things, let alone all 3. MPGs? Who cares?! Torque? The 981 has loads of torque.
That's why I don't need to drive the car to know it's a massive step down the list of 'cars that I want to drive'. Below any modern Lotus, for a start.
I think you've summed it up for all enthusiasts, especially Porsche lovers. (1) Gorgeous flat 6 engine note.
(2) Proper throttle response.
(3) Crescendo torque and power delivery.
There's nothing that comes close to making up for even one of those things, let alone all 3. MPGs? Who cares?! Torque? The 981 has loads of torque.
That's why I don't need to drive the car to know it's a massive step down the list of 'cars that I want to drive'. Below any modern Lotus, for a start.
Badge lovers/posers however, that's a different matter.
HTH
SS7
ORD said:
Some people don't care about engines. For my money, Porsche's trump card has been the engine for many years. No longer true for the Boxster/Cayman.
Same as the M3 M4.Trouble is, this line of thought is wasted on many, including an increasing number of PHers who are MEANT to be enthusiasts but clearly aren't.
Perhaps they should try Mumsnet instead...
ORD said:
Some people don't care about engines. That includes some car enthusiasts. But then why buy a Porsche over a Lotus? For my money, Porsche's trump card has been the engine for many years. No longer true for the Boxster/Cayman.
Again I agree, IMO Lotus have always been better at handling but have been hugely outclassed by Porsche in the engine and cabin refinement areas. Now they've lost the big exciting engine, the new Exige has a V6 in it and has a cabin which is actually pretty usable day to day. At this point I have no idea what the Boxster\Cayman's USP is over the Lotus besides the badge and possibly slightly better build quality.av185 said:
Same as the M3 M4.
Trouble is, this line of thought is wasted on many, including an increasing number of PHers who are MEANT to be enthusiasts but clearly aren't.
Perhaps they should try Mumsnet instead...
Pathetic, if a 6 cylinder means that much to you save more an buy a 911.Trouble is, this line of thought is wasted on many, including an increasing number of PHers who are MEANT to be enthusiasts but clearly aren't.
Perhaps they should try Mumsnet instead...
I hope Porsche sell bucket loads of Boxsters.
Also, what are the odds that the next Evora won't be a 6 cylinder!?
av185 said:
ORD said:
Some people don't care about engines. For my money, Porsche's trump card has been the engine for many years. No longer true for the Boxster/Cayman.
Same as the M3 M4.Trouble is, this line of thought is wasted on many, including an increasing number of PHers who are MEANT to be enthusiasts but clearly aren't.
Perhaps they should try Mumsnet instead...
SidewaysSi said:
A great engine on its own does not make a great car. I am as much a car enthusiast as anyone but I wouldn't pick a fun car if it didn't have stunning steering and handling. For me, engine character is secondary.
I can (and do) tolerate a peasant engine in a fun car if there are tangible benefits I care about. Lightness, for example. SidewaysSi said:
A great engine on its own does not make a great car. I am as much a car enthusiast as anyone but I wouldn't pick a fun car if it didn't have stunning steering and handling. For me, engine character is secondary.
Depends what you mean by stunning steering and handling. Guess it is all relative.The last of the hydraulic steering cars e.g 997 911 and E9x M3 were perfect examples of steering setup lost on the epas of the immediate replacement models. Whilst later models of the 911 show improvements to the epas, they are unlikely ever to provide the quality of feedback of the hydraulic systems.
In terms of engines however, I would much prefer an up to the minute tech fest characterful perfect linear high revving na as in the 991 GT3 even if the epas steering has compromises over the old cars hydraulic setup.
Thankfully it appears Porsche GT cars will remain na for some time yet.
av185 said:
aka_kerrly said:
if a 6 cylinder means that much to you save more an buy a 911
Thanks for that great advice.......but I already own a few. 
:Edited by av185 on Monday 1st February 21:05
Good man. Which begs the question, would a Boxster be on your radar if you were seeking to update your garage a bit?
I suspect much like the original Boxster a significant number of buyers will have never owned a Porsche before so to them if it has 4 cylinders or 6 is likely to be less relevant to them so long as the 0-60 time is worth bragging about.
aka_kerrly said:
Good man. Which begs the question, would a Boxster be on your radar if you were seeking to update your garage a bit?
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