RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Driven
Discussion
jamieduff1981 said:
SUV drivers want this:
but with slightly better ground clearance.
I have one of those. I also have a mid-size SUV - slightly more manageable size, easier to get in and out of, a bit more pleasant in the back. It is on winter tyres, and means we won't be marooned when it snows - maybe only once every 3 or 4 years, but who wants to be marooned at all, even if it is only every 3 or 4 years? It has better ground clearance to cope with the flooded roads, which are much more frequent. My SUV is a 2.0 diesel and not from a prestige brand, but I have only driven the Jag once in the last month. Neither of them gets me to my destination any slower than a very fast car.but with slightly better ground clearance.
My brother has £60k worth of Macan. I like the Macan but find it a bit small inside. I had a sit in the F Pace at the Frankfurt show, and was impressed that in the same overall length as the Macan it manages more room in both back seat and boot (all subjective impressions). I thought it looked great.
I was disappointed by the quality of the interior materials - my XF is a Portfolio, and none of the F Pace's at the show had a comparable quality interior, unlike the new XF, the interior of which I felt was an improvement on mine.
Autocar has said there will be a new Sportbrake. My current Sportbrake will do me for another couple of years. I am not sure which of the two is a more likely replacement for the current Sportbrake.
PS There has been some discussion about wheel size. I have always bought my cars with the smallest available wheels. I hate the fact that the 3.0S XF's come as standard with 20 inch wheels - the rubber band tyres just don't cope with the pot holes which are the norm on country roads. I have had bent wheels and several tyres thrown out with bulging side walls (the last was one of my winters at only one week old). Sadly my SUV is on 19 inch wheels, also completely unsuitable for the purpose, and at the best causing the tyres to be stupidly expensive.
One thing I particularly liked about the XF was the availability of the Portfolio version which worked out better value than the Merc/BMW/Audi competition if you like a high spec car. Having played with the configurator, not only are not all of the features of the Portfolio available, but the ones that are are priced individually so a full spec car works out quite expensive. Perhaps there will be a better value upmarket version in a year or two.
gizlaroc said:
TurboHatchback said:
The whole point of a thread like this is expressing and discussing opinions on the product featured. My opinion (<- important word) is that it's most likely an excellent product for the genre and market, just the whole genre holds no appeal whatsoever and by compromising the core Jaguar values to fill this (very profitable) niche they devalue the brand. Others are welcome to their opinions, it is bizarre how bothered people get when others dislike or disparage their choice of product though.
Every car is a compromise at the end of the day and we all pick that which best suits our wants and needs. If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Once again you just make yourself sound like an ignorant, judgemental moron. Every car is a compromise at the end of the day and we all pick that which best suits our wants and needs. If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Debaser said:
I wonder if the dynamics engineers considered the effect on dynamics? It's not the same as putting large aftermarket wheels on.
I imagine they received the specification, rolled their eyes at the daftness of it then went ahead and made it drive remarkably well given the limitations placed on them, much like the rest of the car in fact.TurboHatchback said:
gizlaroc said:
TurboHatchback said:
If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Once again you just make yourself sound like an ignorant, judgemental moron. gizlaroc said:
gizlaroc said:
Once again you just make yourself sound like an ignorant, judgemental moron.
No, you're far from polite, and if you can't see why then there really is no point explaining it. 
Anyway, tyres and dynamics.
The choice seems to be 255/60 18, 255/55 19, 255/50 20 or 265/40 22.
Standard fit is...
18" on Prestige (2.0D RWD/2.0D AWD)
19" on R-Sport (2.0D RWD/2.0D AWD)
19" on Portfolio (2.0D RWD/2.0D AWD)
20" on S (3.0/3.0D)
with the same pool of bigger being optional on all.
Sure, there's going to be a weight difference going from 18" to 22", but I can't picture it being THAT ridiculous, since the width is staying pretty damn static. Bit more metal, bit less rubber.
The choice seems to be 255/60 18, 255/55 19, 255/50 20 or 265/40 22.
Standard fit is...
18" on Prestige (2.0D RWD/2.0D AWD)
19" on R-Sport (2.0D RWD/2.0D AWD)
19" on Portfolio (2.0D RWD/2.0D AWD)
20" on S (3.0/3.0D)
with the same pool of bigger being optional on all.
Sure, there's going to be a weight difference going from 18" to 22", but I can't picture it being THAT ridiculous, since the width is staying pretty damn static. Bit more metal, bit less rubber.
Can I add my view of the practicality of an SUV.
When judging people that buy them as not really understanding cars or as self centred, spoilt middle class idiots that really should spend their money on 'better cars' you should stop and think for a minute.
Not all people have the same life as you. They may struggle on a daily basis to make their lives work and make choices about the vehicles they use based on their lifestyle, often times they cannot manage or control. The constant sneering is depressing. You may need a car to go fast, cover long distances for work or family or to go off road as a farmeror because you are building a house or work in areas prone to flooding or snow.
Personally I use a SUV to manage my lifestyle. I have a father with Parkinson's that makes it hard to move and get in and out of a low car. I have a child with global delay who is large and difficult to manage, has to be lifted and manoeuvred into a car. Daily life is a struggle and anything that helps is a godsend. I also have another child that plays rugby and we often (most Sunday's) find ourselves in muddy fields.
I live in a house without stairs and have concrete in my garden - it helps us get in and out, round and about - everyday life easier to cope.
I have an SUV for the same reasons. It makes life easier.
Please stop judging and start thinking. You may not understand why people would ever buy these things. That is because you can't understand their lives. You don't live in their shoes. You don't need what they need. Why can't I have a car that is practical, fun to drive (within reason) and has a high quality feel. I think I deserve it even if you don't.
Stop judging and start thinking.
When judging people that buy them as not really understanding cars or as self centred, spoilt middle class idiots that really should spend their money on 'better cars' you should stop and think for a minute.
Not all people have the same life as you. They may struggle on a daily basis to make their lives work and make choices about the vehicles they use based on their lifestyle, often times they cannot manage or control. The constant sneering is depressing. You may need a car to go fast, cover long distances for work or family or to go off road as a farmeror because you are building a house or work in areas prone to flooding or snow.
Personally I use a SUV to manage my lifestyle. I have a father with Parkinson's that makes it hard to move and get in and out of a low car. I have a child with global delay who is large and difficult to manage, has to be lifted and manoeuvred into a car. Daily life is a struggle and anything that helps is a godsend. I also have another child that plays rugby and we often (most Sunday's) find ourselves in muddy fields.
I live in a house without stairs and have concrete in my garden - it helps us get in and out, round and about - everyday life easier to cope.
I have an SUV for the same reasons. It makes life easier.
Please stop judging and start thinking. You may not understand why people would ever buy these things. That is because you can't understand their lives. You don't live in their shoes. You don't need what they need. Why can't I have a car that is practical, fun to drive (within reason) and has a high quality feel. I think I deserve it even if you don't.
Stop judging and start thinking.
seefarr said:
I love how you quoted yourself insulting someone and essentially said "no, you're not polite!". His view is different to yours but he expresses himself with eloquence and comedy.
Eloquence and comedy? Jesus wept. That's right, he was not being polite, and nor was I in my reply. And?
It was a shame as his first part of the post was actually a point well made, but the second part was another snipe, it was not comedic at all, he knew what he was saying and doing and he spoilt the point being made.
Slagging off and pigeon holing owners of certain cars in a derogatory way, however subtle you are in doing so, is offensive to many and therefore saying "And yet I can engage in a polite discussion about the subjective merits of a car without resorting to insulting strangers on the internet. " is crap, the above was an insult, just said in an underhand way.
I just can't see why people like him feel the need to wind up people on threads based about cars they have zero interest in. I don't go into the Audi threads and say "You would only buy one to impress the neighbours as they are s
t cars" of the Toyota forum and say "Why would you want a chavvy rice rocket? Must be to impress the chavs down at Tesco car park on a Saturday night"Same comments again and again, it gets so boring.
Just waiting for WillyNilly to step in to the thread too.
Mezzo, the facts are they are a hugely popular class of vehicle and I wouldn't be without one. The detractors are more likely just gripers intend on taking a contrarian just because they like insulting people. I find it bizzare that SUV haters even visit a thread about SUV or the 20 yo kid telling us it's st and isn't as good as his Clio 172.
t and isn't as good as his Clio 172. gizlaroc said:
Seriously?
This sort of sums up what Pistonheads has become over the last couple of years.
Such a shame.
I know right? Some guy earlier called a random stranger on the Internet an ignorant, judgmental moron just for disagreeing with him about how great SUVs are. Such a shame.This sort of sums up what Pistonheads has become over the last couple of years.
Such a shame.
seefarr said:
gizlaroc said:
Seriously?
This sort of sums up what Pistonheads has become over the last couple of years.
Such a shame.
I know right? Some guy earlier called a random stranger on the Internet an ignorant, judgmental moron just for disagreeing with him about how great SUVs are. Such a shame.This sort of sums up what Pistonheads has become over the last couple of years.
Such a shame.
Anybody'd think Gizla really wants one, but is a bit insecure and worried about being mistaken for taking Clarissa and Jeremy to school.
seefarr said:
I know right? Some guy earlier called a random stranger on the Internet an ignorant, judgmental moron just for disagreeing with him about how great SUVs are. Such a shame.
Wipe your eyes love. If you think they only suit Cheshire mums trying to impress the neighbours then I do think you're ignorant, also very judgemental, which in turn makes you seem like a bit of a moron.
I couldn't care less if you like SUVs or not, it is when you start to try and be a clever
having a little dig that people bite back. You gave, you got some back, it hurt your feelings. Never mind, as you say, just some random stranger.
I just don't see what fun you get trolling threads and having a little dig. Says a lot about someone.
TooMany2cvs said:
Actually, I think it was the impertinence of suggesting such a left-field target demographic that did it.
Anybody'd think Gizla really wants one, but is a bit insecure and worried about being mistaken for taking Clarissa and Jeremy to school.
I don't mind your comments, I expect it from you. Anybody'd think Gizla really wants one, but is a bit insecure and worried about being mistaken for taking Clarissa and Jeremy to school.
I was waiting for WillyNilly to jump in, I can't believe he hasn't yet. He's not ill or something is he?
And as if I would take them to school in that!! That's what I have staff for.
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