RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Driven
Discussion
TurboHatchback said:
TurboHatchback said:
Every car is a compromise at the end of the day and we all pick that which best suits our wants and needs. If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Pray do tell which part of the section you highlighted you consider to be incorrect?RenOHH said:
...... Companies quite rightly spend gargantuan sums of money to understand their current customers, and more money again to understand customers they would like to have. Your statement is quite wide of the mark so that was the reason you were called names. You've generalised massively and based both your assumptions off the world as you see it. I think you'd be surprised if you went to a focus group and saw what motivates people to buy a certain car, and how that differs from stereotypes such as yours above.
Very true. DonkeyApple said:
Still plenty of people who want the space of an estate or hatchback but with the ease of getting things and people in and out.
The reality is that the SUV is a very practical design for every day family transport usage.
What's really going on here is the typical British style of blaming other groups.
Whenever there is an SUV thread you always see the blokes who are angry at women crop up and rant about women in SUVs or the blokes who have an issue coping with other blokes who appear to have more spending power than them.
+ Ground clearance. I take my crv down a steep muddy track every weekend that cars can't use they can't get passed the mud , then half way down the track has got washed away with some deep cracks where the limestone has washed away. Again I doubt many cars could tackle it You couldn't get there in an estate. The reality is that the SUV is a very practical design for every day family transport usage.
What's really going on here is the typical British style of blaming other groups.
Whenever there is an SUV thread you always see the blokes who are angry at women crop up and rant about women in SUVs or the blokes who have an issue coping with other blokes who appear to have more spending power than them.
It takes snowy roads where a car would become a snow plough and I've towed a car off a sandy beach for the same reason.
The suv is an extremely useful car. In fact this crv has impressed me just what it will do.
Many may not have need for it but I do. I don't need full on 4x4 but I do go places cars won't it's a perfect fit.
Why this has to be brought up in oh every f
king thread.People like other things and have other need than you do.
The thing that gets me is when someone tells me my X3 is a compromise, and then you look at their garage and they have an A6 Avant, with a 4.2 V8 hung in front of the front axle. If ever there was a compromised vehicle that is it right there.
I have had the A6 avant in both 4.2 C5 and 3.2 C6 shape and had the 4.2 again in the S4 avant. I know from experience just how rubbish that combination is. The c5 was terrible, the C6 only slightly better and the 4.2 is slow as buggery for the size and consumption and makes the cars handle terribly.
I mean, if there was ever a car, or indeed a brand, that people must surely buy for the badge then it has to be Audi, as let's be honest they have only ever built 3 cars in the last 20 years that could be considered truly enjoyable, they rest are not just dull but also a real step backwards in build compared with so many other marques out there, apart from interior. It must be bought for the badge or to impress the neighbours in some bizarre twisted logic.
But oh no, an SUV is a compromise.
I'm not saying the 4.2 A6 avant is a bad car, but it is seriously compromised, more so than many SUVs. You get AWD with no ground clearance, it handles worse than a 1980 Citreon, it drinks more fuel than a 911 and it is slower than a 4cyl BMW. So you have to simply 'enjoy driving' it to won one as it makes no sense on paper. And that is the point, someone obviously likes it to buy it, even if it makes no sense to the next man.
That is why we have choice and that is why when people come in and start spouting crap about why the owner bought their car is just so boring.
I have had the A6 avant in both 4.2 C5 and 3.2 C6 shape and had the 4.2 again in the S4 avant. I know from experience just how rubbish that combination is. The c5 was terrible, the C6 only slightly better and the 4.2 is slow as buggery for the size and consumption and makes the cars handle terribly.
I mean, if there was ever a car, or indeed a brand, that people must surely buy for the badge then it has to be Audi, as let's be honest they have only ever built 3 cars in the last 20 years that could be considered truly enjoyable, they rest are not just dull but also a real step backwards in build compared with so many other marques out there, apart from interior. It must be bought for the badge or to impress the neighbours in some bizarre twisted logic.
But oh no, an SUV is a compromise.
I'm not saying the 4.2 A6 avant is a bad car, but it is seriously compromised, more so than many SUVs. You get AWD with no ground clearance, it handles worse than a 1980 Citreon, it drinks more fuel than a 911 and it is slower than a 4cyl BMW. So you have to simply 'enjoy driving' it to won one as it makes no sense on paper. And that is the point, someone obviously likes it to buy it, even if it makes no sense to the next man.
That is why we have choice and that is why when people come in and start spouting crap about why the owner bought their car is just so boring.
This car is a travesty and all involved, included those working on the project for Jaguar who have written in this forum, no doubt in good faith, should hold their heads in shame.
This TATA box – that is what it is - desecrates the Jaguar heritage.
A heritage that includes cars such as… the SS100, the XJ220, the XK8. The E- Type.
That some wheel-at-each-corner monstrosity should wear the Jaguar name is a triumph of mediocrity.
The editorial staff on Pistonheads should resign immediately for allowing this vehicle to appear on their site.
This TATA box – that is what it is - desecrates the Jaguar heritage.
A heritage that includes cars such as… the SS100, the XJ220, the XK8. The E- Type.
That some wheel-at-each-corner monstrosity should wear the Jaguar name is a triumph of mediocrity.
The editorial staff on Pistonheads should resign immediately for allowing this vehicle to appear on their site.
Daniel Brooksbank said:
This car is a travesty and all involved, included those working on the project for Jaguar who have written in this forum, no doubt in good faith, should hold their heads in shame.
This TATA box – that is what it is - desecrates the Jaguar heritage.
A heritage that includes cars such as… the SS100, the XJ220, the XK8. The E- Type.
That some wheel-at-each-corner monstrosity should wear the Jaguar name is a triumph of mediocrity.
The editorial staff on Pistonheads should resign immediately for allowing this vehicle to appear on their site.
I'm quoting this madman before he sobers up.This TATA box – that is what it is - desecrates the Jaguar heritage.
A heritage that includes cars such as… the SS100, the XJ220, the XK8. The E- Type.
That some wheel-at-each-corner monstrosity should wear the Jaguar name is a triumph of mediocrity.
The editorial staff on Pistonheads should resign immediately for allowing this vehicle to appear on their site.
Straight from the Tony Crook school of "you should be grateful we sell to you" customer satisfaction.
Daniel Brooksbank said:
This car is a travesty and all involved, included those working on the project for Jaguar who have written in this forum, no doubt in good faith, should hold their heads in shame.
This TATA box – that is what it is - desecrates the Jaguar heritage.
A heritage that includes cars such as… the SS100, the XJ220, the XK8. The E- Type.
That some wheel-at-each-corner monstrosity should wear the Jaguar name is a triumph of mediocrity.
The editorial staff on Pistonheads should resign immediately for allowing this vehicle to appear on their site.
Plus ça change... I've chosen a random quote from the forums from 2002:This TATA box – that is what it is - desecrates the Jaguar heritage.
A heritage that includes cars such as… the SS100, the XJ220, the XK8. The E- Type.
That some wheel-at-each-corner monstrosity should wear the Jaguar name is a triumph of mediocrity.
The editorial staff on Pistonheads should resign immediately for allowing this vehicle to appear on their site.
richb said:
Oh my God that is awfull, what on earth do Porsche think they are doing! I hate the BMW lorry with avengance because of what it stands for but at least as lorries go it looks ok'ish, but this is absolute crap! Looks like the tail end of an Astra estate with an'ickle wing grafted onto the front of a Nissan Micra. Porsche deserve to be slaughtered for this one chaps! 
That's a comment about the Mk 1 Cayenne when photos were first released.I've said it before and will say it again: While I'm not a massive fan of this class of car, it brings in shedloads of hard cash. That in turn secures the future of F-Types and XF-RS's. They can sell mopeds for all I care as long as they remain financially viable to make the good stuff too.
RobDickinson said:
Jaguar should have been onto this a decade ago look at the fortune Porsche have made with theirs.
If they had of been it would still be a British owned company no doubt. The fact is SUVs sell, as once someone has had one it makes the estate pretty pointless, not the other way round.
gizlaroc said:
If they had of been it would still be a British owned company no doubt.
The fact is SUVs sell, as once someone has had one it makes the estate pretty pointless, not the other way round.
If it was still British owned the first gen XK8 would still be on sale and Autocar would still be singing its praises. The fact is SUVs sell, as once someone has had one it makes the estate pretty pointless, not the other way round.
The whole country should raise a glass to Mr Tata.
10 years ago ford owned Jaguar and shackled it between the mondao and the astons. They improved reliability and build some but didnt do anything for the brand ( xtype, stype, new retro xj etc). TBh a perfect time for a big luxury softroader except ford had RR to protect also and couldnt see the market.
RenOHH said:
TurboHatchback said:
TurboHatchback said:
Every car is a compromise at the end of the day and we all pick that which best suits our wants and needs. If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Pray do tell which part of the section you highlighted you consider to be incorrect?I'm sure there are lots of different people with lots of different reasons who will buy this car, hence why I said earlier in the thread that they will sell like hot cakes. I'm also sure that there are lots of people who won't even consider it for lots of different reasons.
The Vambo said:
gizlaroc said:
If they had of been it would still be a British owned company no doubt.
The fact is SUVs sell, as once someone has had one it makes the estate pretty pointless, not the other way round.
If it was still British owned the first gen XK8 would still be on sale and Autocar would still be singing its praises. The fact is SUVs sell, as once someone has had one it makes the estate pretty pointless, not the other way round.
The whole country should raise a glass to Mr Tata.
As makers of luxury cars they should have built an SUV years ago. It is a niche that fits their pedigree far more than it could ever fit the pedigree of a marque such as Porsche. And what is more, Jaguar haven't taken someone else's car but gone out and built this themselves. It almost certainly won't be as reliable or have the same 'like she's just moved off the council estate' chic cache of the German brands but it is a most welcome addition to the Jagiar stable and a blindingly obvious one.
TurboHatchback said:
RenOHH said:
TurboHatchback said:
TurboHatchback said:
Every car is a compromise at the end of the day and we all pick that which best suits our wants and needs. If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Pray do tell which part of the section you highlighted you consider to be incorrect?I'm sure there are lots of different people with lots of different reasons who will buy this car, hence why I said earlier in the thread that they will sell like hot cakes. I'm also sure that there are lots of people who won't even consider it for lots of different reasons.
You use a derogatory stereotype to imply that anyone who might buy a car like the F-Pace to be uninterested in driving. To back this up, you caste yourself as a young, enthusiastic male with no need for such a mum-focused car because you are interested in driving.
My wife and I are better petrolheads than you are. I still qualify for "early 30s" and spend a lot on nice cars because they are important to me. I do this because I am interested in driving, and don't really have an "off switch" for daily driving. My weekend cars are definitely PH worthy, but I am unwilling to compromise all driving pleasure on the daily driver requirements, so I spend a lot of money on driving-pleasure bias daily/family cars too. My wife out PH's you also, despite being a young mother, because she too enjoys driving a decent handling car with some poke. She's still using the 500+bhp RWD supersaloon on our typically untreated roads this winter for mummying about, which earns her more PH-Man-Points than most of the fannies using this forum can lay claim to. Note our garage contains no diesel shed for chugging along Monday to Friday with overtaking a mere dream. All our cars can be hustled along quite well, and I pay the money because to a petrolhead, it's worth it. Even for work use, my company pickup has the biggest engine because I like driving and even when working I see no reason to be accelerating at a glacial pace when there's an option to have more grunt.
My wife and I are interested in the F-Pace not because we are not interested in driving, and not because we are too poor to only be able to afford one do-it-all car. We're interested because it would be a cracking thing to do everything we NEED living in the country, but whilst still being good enough to do a good job at delivering what we WANT for day to day driving. We'll still have full-on sports cars in the garage for pleasure occasions.
So to sum up, what you said is a load of b
ks purely intended to make you sound like an uncompromising PHer. A turbohatchback isn't especially PH - it's just a warmed up shopping car. A compromise for people who can only afford one car. Why a young guy interested in driving would want a hatchback is unclear, when you could be rorting around in a sportscar being so interested in driving and unburdened by responsibilities as you make yourself sound.TurboHatchback said:
RenOHH said:
TurboHatchback said:
TurboHatchback said:
Every car is a compromise at the end of the day and we all pick that which best suits our wants and needs. If I was a rich housewife in the Cotsworlds who needed to drive children to school, tow ponies around and look good for the neighbors then this would be spot on. For a youngish single bloke who likes driving there's nothing here to appeal.
Pray do tell which part of the section you highlighted you consider to be incorrect?I'm sure there are lots of different people with lots of different reasons who will buy this car, hence why I said earlier in the thread that they will sell like hot cakes. I'm also sure that there are lots of people who won't even consider it for lots of different reasons.
jamieduff1981 said:
All good stuff....
This forum needs a 'like' button.More importantly though, a 'dislike' button.
I'm sure if some of the posters could see how many dislikes they got for the same old drivel they post time and time again, they would eventually stop and the forum would become a better place again.
Don't get me wrong, I like the ribbing, the piss taking and the general sarcastic nature this place has always had, but just recently it seems that every single thread has the same few people trying to derail it and argue black is white. It gets seriously boring.
Seen it before on forums that have gone the same way, upgrade the software and show 'like' and 'dislike' to posts and those same few soon stop as having 12,000 dislikes under your username shows what people really think of you, or rather your comments.
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