No more white lines on main roads! Really?
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The problem with this scheme is that whilst most people will react to a lack of road markings by slowing down (which, of course, is always the aim - our time is infinite), there is a significant proportion of people who react to a lack of road markings telling them what to do with the assumption that the road is theirs. Surely, we've all driven down unmarked country roads? Most drive sensibly, but a reasonably large minority barrel along on the wrong side of the road on the assumption that others will get out of their way (usually whilst informing any terrified passengers that 'It's fine: I drive these roads all the time', as if that gives them some sixth sense as to the presence of other vehicles).
And good luck overtaking a 45mph-everywhere idiot. Ever.
Also, as others have said, once this becomes the norm, people will go back to their normal behaviour.
The authorities always ignore the - more costly and voter-unfriendly - forms of making the roads safer: annual tests for drivers, decent lighting, etc. - just chop the speeds and make the roads cr*p.
And good luck overtaking a 45mph-everywhere idiot. Ever.
Also, as others have said, once this becomes the norm, people will go back to their normal behaviour.
The authorities always ignore the - more costly and voter-unfriendly - forms of making the roads safer: annual tests for drivers, decent lighting, etc. - just chop the speeds and make the roads cr*p.
This is a stupid decision made by morons. As the number of accidents increases, as it inevitably will teh insurance company will have a bit to say too
I wonder if the person behind it actually has a driving licence and actually drives a car more than 20,000 miles a year, of if they are a bicycle riding, laptop in a haversack statistician
There are lies, real lies and statistics! Read Daryl H Huff's very enlightening book - " How to lie with Statistics" and then don't believe a word of this stuff
I wonder if the person behind it actually has a driving licence and actually drives a car more than 20,000 miles a year, of if they are a bicycle riding, laptop in a haversack statistician
There are lies, real lies and statistics! Read Daryl H Huff's very enlightening book - " How to lie with Statistics" and then don't believe a word of this stuff
I'm expecting to se an increase in my Council Tax bill in a few weeks so it's nice to see that Norfolk County Council are spending it on this £300,000 schema.
'Norfolk County Council is working with the Department of Transport (DfT) in a bid to reduce the speed limit on rural roads.
The £300,000 pilot scheme will scrub out the centre white lines and reduce the speed limit on B-roads and other roads from the national speed limit to 50 or 40mph.
This comes after it was found that 70% of road deaths and serious injuries in Norfolk occurred on non-built up rural single carriageway roads.
The pilot area will be along the north Norfolk coast and bounded by the A149 down to Sandringham and the A148 up to Sheringham.'
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/new_proposed_plans_for...
That seems to me to be such a waste when many miles of Norfolk's roads are in need of repair. Except strangely those around Sandringham, which tend to be in good condition.
colonel c said:
This comes after it was found that 70% of road deaths and serious injuries in Norfolk occurred on non-built up rural single carriageway roads.
Hardly surprising is it, when you consider that Norfolk has only two large towns (King's Lynn & Gt Yarmouth) & one city (Norwich) and of the approx. 6000 miles of roads only a few miles are rural dual carriageway (A11, parts of the A47 and a short bit of the A12). In other words most of the roads in Norfolk are rural single carriageway.colonel c said:
and reduce the speed limit on B-roads and other roads from the national speed limit to 50 or 40mph.
This is really not a sensible move. In a modern car, 40 to 50mph feels far too slow, especially on a road that used to have a 60mph limit. So guess what, everyone gets in the habit of ignoring the limit, so, when they enter a 30mph zone that actually needs to be 30mph (like a little village etc) they continue to speed.This is why the Nimbys are always moaning "everyone drives too fast in my village" etc etc
Puddenchucker said:
Hardly surprising is it, when you consider that Norfolk has only two large towns (King's Lynn & Gt Yarmouth) & one city (Norwich) and of the approx. 6000 miles of roads only a few miles are rural dual carriageway (A11, parts of the A47 and a short bit of the A12). In other words most of the roads in Norfolk are rural single carriageway.
It's f
king shocking isn't it? How an authority can be that dumb.Max_Torque said:
This is really not a sensible move. In a modern car, 40 to 50mph feels far too slow, especially on a road that used to have a 60mph limit. So guess what, everyone gets in the habit of ignoring the limit, so, when they enter a 30mph zone that actually needs to be 30mph (like a little village etc) they continue to speed.
This is why the Nimbys are always moaning "everyone drives too fast in my village" etc etc
This is a recent example of Norfolk speed limit setting (pushed through by one local councillor, IIRC) on the A1065:This is why the Nimbys are always moaning "everyone drives too fast in my village" etc etc
This village is 50mph: https://goo.gl/maps/t3vA8K4gvrB2 (Houses, petrol station, junction on a crest of hill)
As is this: https://goo.gl/maps/WneqKA3gbGz
Funny enough I go down that road in Croydon where there doing the trail, probably once a month or so. To be honest I just thought the road workers were just to lazy to put the marking on. 
I haven't noticed the road being any slower or faster than it was before. But its main road in a suburban area (30mph limit, although more like 10mph in rush hour). It runs through a few hundred semi-detached houses, shops and a park on both sides of it. But it doesn't really make any difference.
To be honest I think the new led street lights they have been fitting around here are more dangerous. I think the problem might be due to them being spaced to far apart. But on a dark, wet winter morning or night its really dark, but its to busy to use the high beam most of the time.
A picture from the local paper
I haven't noticed the road being any slower or faster than it was before. But its main road in a suburban area (30mph limit, although more like 10mph in rush hour). It runs through a few hundred semi-detached houses, shops and a park on both sides of it. But it doesn't really make any difference.
To be honest I think the new led street lights they have been fitting around here are more dangerous. I think the problem might be due to them being spaced to far apart. But on a dark, wet winter morning or night its really dark, but its to busy to use the high beam most of the time.
A picture from the local paper
Edited by Noesph on Saturday 6th February 16:13
I drive often on South African roads which have neither road markings or cats eyes, and it can be terrifying at night when raining or foggy.
The road ahead is less visible and drivers are leaving on their high beam on as long as possible just to see where they are going. Everybody is blinded and there are serious head on collisions happening with extreme regularity.
Removing the white lines from our roads is a very bad idea imho.
Dave.
The road ahead is less visible and drivers are leaving on their high beam on as long as possible just to see where they are going. Everybody is blinded and there are serious head on collisions happening with extreme regularity.
Removing the white lines from our roads is a very bad idea imho.
Dave.
Next up: All new cars to be fitted with huge spikes on the steering wheels, that'll learn em.
There is a section of the A1 that recently hasn't got lines on it, no one slows down they just waver all over the road as they go round the bend....our road policy planners (or whatever they're called) have reached peak cretin.
They have recently "improved" the main roundabout junction in Harlow, the result of which is huge and I mean huge queues of traffic, I'm not quite sure they understand the meaning of the word "improved" But perhaps they see that as an improvement.
There is a section of the A1 that recently hasn't got lines on it, no one slows down they just waver all over the road as they go round the bend....our road policy planners (or whatever they're called) have reached peak cretin.
They have recently "improved" the main roundabout junction in Harlow, the result of which is huge and I mean huge queues of traffic, I'm not quite sure they understand the meaning of the word "improved" But perhaps they see that as an improvement.
Retarded idea and it will only work on a temporary basis. People are used to road markings so when there are none they slow down because they are not used to it. However once they are used to no road markings, people will drive at the same speed as before except with no lane discipline and a higher accident rate as it's harder to tell where the road is going, especially in poor weather.
Just refer to any northern USA city that gets a decent amount of snow and snow ploughs wearing the road marking off. Driving standards and lane discipline are atrocious, but people still hoon around like madmen and crash all over the place like its a fun past time. When the city gets round to remarking the road, traffic flows more smoothly and in an orderly fashion compared to sections without markings.
Complete opposite of what these morons seem to have discovered without actually doing any research beyond their own front door.
Just refer to any northern USA city that gets a decent amount of snow and snow ploughs wearing the road marking off. Driving standards and lane discipline are atrocious, but people still hoon around like madmen and crash all over the place like its a fun past time. When the city gets round to remarking the road, traffic flows more smoothly and in an orderly fashion compared to sections without markings.
Complete opposite of what these morons seem to have discovered without actually doing any research beyond their own front door.
A particularly bad idea. The reason that the roads in our country are so safe is because we have many sensible rules, and drivers by and large adhere to them. Lines in the road especially. While there are many stupid rules that should be dispensed with, having lanes to drive in is one of the more sensible safer ones.
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