No more white lines on main roads! Really?
Discussion
I haven't read the other responses, however my experience is that it can work if applied in appropriate places.
For example, I lived on a newly developed estate back in the late nineties. As the road through it matured over the next 12 months it gave the impression of a leafy suburb, no white lines or anything,
Then one day I came home and found the council had daubed dashed lines down the centre and give ways at every junction out of the cul de sacs. The immediate impression was that of an A road having a higher speed limit with a confidence boosting line down the middle to help the less gifted drivers from removing wing mirrors or colliding. It looked awful too.
Speeds and noise visibly and audibly increased in this 30 limit.
So I'm in agreement if it's intelligently applied, and therein lies the problem I expect.
For example, I lived on a newly developed estate back in the late nineties. As the road through it matured over the next 12 months it gave the impression of a leafy suburb, no white lines or anything,
Then one day I came home and found the council had daubed dashed lines down the centre and give ways at every junction out of the cul de sacs. The immediate impression was that of an A road having a higher speed limit with a confidence boosting line down the middle to help the less gifted drivers from removing wing mirrors or colliding. It looked awful too.
Speeds and noise visibly and audibly increased in this 30 limit.
So I'm in agreement if it's intelligently applied, and therein lies the problem I expect.
I have not read the study.
But I do have some other bright ideas to slow drivers down:
1. Blindfold them
2. Remove the brakes from their car, so that they can only slow down using engine braking
3. Install a sharp metal spike onto the centre of the steering wheel, pointing at the drivers forehead
Are these much more idiotic than removing the road markings?
There must be some pre-post data on the introduction of cats eyes and the impact on safety.
But I do have some other bright ideas to slow drivers down:
1. Blindfold them
2. Remove the brakes from their car, so that they can only slow down using engine braking
3. Install a sharp metal spike onto the centre of the steering wheel, pointing at the drivers forehead
Are these much more idiotic than removing the road markings?
There must be some pre-post data on the introduction of cats eyes and the impact on safety.
A quick Google later and here's a study that says that road markings reduce accidents.
http://keysoftsolutions.com/media/1470/ayrshire-ro...
I dunno, but I think its probably better to have have less accidents on the road than slower drivers
http://keysoftsolutions.com/media/1470/ayrshire-ro...
I dunno, but I think its probably better to have have less accidents on the road than slower drivers
I've seen this work on smaller roads but on a main road I'd be a little scared.
There is a road local to me which always had speed bumps and a white line down the middle. They removed the speed bumps and the white line, I can honestly say it makes you cautious as it's harder to gauge the width of the road. Obviously you can but having that dividing line means you know that, that particular bit of road is your space to use. Removal of the line does add to uncertainty and in turn you do slow down.
But, on a road that's 60-70mph? I'm not sure I much fancy that with some of the muppets you see on the motorways.
People hog the middle lane as it is and refuse to move over. If there's no lane to define they'll just sit in the middle of the road at 50mph!!
There is a road local to me which always had speed bumps and a white line down the middle. They removed the speed bumps and the white line, I can honestly say it makes you cautious as it's harder to gauge the width of the road. Obviously you can but having that dividing line means you know that, that particular bit of road is your space to use. Removal of the line does add to uncertainty and in turn you do slow down.
But, on a road that's 60-70mph? I'm not sure I much fancy that with some of the muppets you see on the motorways.
People hog the middle lane as it is and refuse to move over. If there's no lane to define they'll just sit in the middle of the road at 50mph!!
Actually working in Norfolk I have experienced this phenomenon.
After due consideration all I can say is it's s
t!
It becomes very difficult to follow a road at night, there are NO references in case of momentarily "wandering " to highlight your changing vector and most importantly with no meridian markings a car is just another object to be forced out and off the way by HGV's incl timber lorries who are a law to their own already...
After due consideration all I can say is it's s
t!It becomes very difficult to follow a road at night, there are NO references in case of momentarily "wandering " to highlight your changing vector and most importantly with no meridian markings a car is just another object to be forced out and off the way by HGV's incl timber lorries who are a law to their own already...
Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 5th February 15:26
Mojocvh said:
It becomes very difficult to follow a road at night, there are NO references in case of momentarily "wandering " to highlight your changing vector....
I suppose based on that, if this was a motorway/dual carriageway, drivers may move back to the left and use the edge as a guide. Sitting in the middle would be a little unnerving for most.That said, I agree with you, it's a s**t idea! haha
speedking31 said:
Personally I hope it is a rip roaring success and is extended to double yellow and double white lines.
My first though was great to no double white lines, even better when nipping past on the bike and not twitching over them in the wet. But surely double whites are there for a reason (often extended too far in places).Not sure where removing (removing I guess dotted white lines) will really work. I assume we will still need other warnings and junction markers in place.
Agree removing some of the clutter will help.
Why do these cretins in authority obsess about reducing speed. Surely we should be looking to decrease our journey times not increase them given we live in such an 'advanced' society.
Rip the road surface up completely and return to dirt tracks, that'll seriously get speed down.
The sooner these faceless morons stick their head above the parapet so they can be rightly ridiculed (or picked off by a sniper
) the better! I bet they have the combined IQ of a retarded gibbon!
Rip the road surface up completely and return to dirt tracks, that'll seriously get speed down.
The sooner these faceless morons stick their head above the parapet so they can be rightly ridiculed (or picked off by a sniper
) the better! I bet they have the combined IQ of a retarded gibbon![quote=Jordan210]So its nothing to do with trying to cut costs.....
Next will a study has found by not resurfacing a road full off pot holes it makes people drive slower.[/quote
I was once told by someone in the know that not repairing roads was accepted policy of some councils to reduce speeds. It seems to have been adopted across the country as far as I can see.
Next will a study has found by not resurfacing a road full off pot holes it makes people drive slower.[/quote
I was once told by someone in the know that not repairing roads was accepted policy of some councils to reduce speeds. It seems to have been adopted across the country as far as I can see.
I quite like the idea but I think there's too many ambiguous situations that need extra markings to make this a blanket policy. Anything to encourage the average driver (who is, of course, shockingly bad) to think more though, instead of autopilot/drive-by-signs is good, short of removing their input from driving entirely.
jayemm89 said:
This will be the same logic which means they actively encourage the blocking of visibility when approaching roundabouts. Genius.
That really gets on my nerves, some of the barriers are ridiculous they'd be as well putting a stop sign up. It's particularly annoying as they always seem to be erected at what was previously a well sighted and well designed fast flowing roundabout.All they seem to do is seriously disrupt the flow of traffic and cause congestion.
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