M6 Gridlock this morning
Discussion
Nice to see some of the usual Pistonheads sensitive and sympathetic attitude in play.
Anyone who is so distraught they end up actually on a motorway bridge ready to jump has my deepest sympathy, as does anyone tasked with trying to talk them down.
They don't see themselves as selfish. Quite the opposite. They genuinely think that they are doing the world a favour, that the world will be a better place if they cease to be part of it. They don't see anything else.
Thankfully many are talked down but some are not. It is a horrendous situation and if the road has to be closed for a while to try and get them down, I'm all for it.
We need to remember our humanity and compassion sometimes.
Anyone who is so distraught they end up actually on a motorway bridge ready to jump has my deepest sympathy, as does anyone tasked with trying to talk them down.
They don't see themselves as selfish. Quite the opposite. They genuinely think that they are doing the world a favour, that the world will be a better place if they cease to be part of it. They don't see anything else.
Thankfully many are talked down but some are not. It is a horrendous situation and if the road has to be closed for a while to try and get them down, I'm all for it.
We need to remember our humanity and compassion sometimes.
ikarl said:
Pothole said:
ikarl said:
Willy Nilly said:
So what has the benefit been over all? Has information been gained from doing these that has lead to less road deaths? Has the amount of disruption caused by the investigations been paid back by reduced disruptions? AFAIK this crash happened in the wee small hours. I'll wager someone just nodded off. People make mistakes on roads as a rule, they don't murder people, the priority should be getting the road open.
If it was my wife or child that had been killed I'd want a thorough explanation.. I can imagine my reaction if they said they didn't bother so they didn't hold people up. You can see how that's went.
I understand your point, no amount of information would change the fact your loved one was dead,..but after all that, wouldn't you want justice if they were killed in a similar manner? Surely you'd want someone held to account if they were seriously culpable.
I'm struggling to think of a scenario where closing a road for a day while it's raining, for instance, would get evidence either way of a driver's "guilt" or not...if they were on the phone that shouldn't need the road closing for that length of time, similarly if they had a heart attack tests would be done at a hospital not on the closed section of road.
zarjaz1991 said:
Nice to see some of the usual Pistonheads sensitive and sympathetic attitude in play.
Anyone who is so distraught they end up actually on a motorway bridge ready to jump has my deepest sympathy, as does anyone tasked with trying to talk them down.
They don't see themselves as selfish. Quite the opposite. They genuinely think that they are doing the world a favour, that the world will be a better place if they cease to be part of it. They don't see anything else.
Thankfully many are talked down but some are not. It is a horrendous situation and if the road has to be closed for a while to try and get them down, I'm all for it.
We need to remember our humanity and compassion sometimes.
Often it's the same posters time and again displaying these distasteful views. No amount of explanation from those who know the ins and outs of the situation sways their selfish me me me whining. Set of big babies.Anyone who is so distraught they end up actually on a motorway bridge ready to jump has my deepest sympathy, as does anyone tasked with trying to talk them down.
They don't see themselves as selfish. Quite the opposite. They genuinely think that they are doing the world a favour, that the world will be a better place if they cease to be part of it. They don't see anything else.
Thankfully many are talked down but some are not. It is a horrendous situation and if the road has to be closed for a while to try and get them down, I'm all for it.
We need to remember our humanity and compassion sometimes.
LittleEnus said:
jogger1976 said:
The 1950's are on the phone;they'd like word. 
The 18 fing 20's are on the phone and they want this fing annoying phrase to be not ever used again. It was never funny.
Oh, and just so you know, it wasn't meant to be funny, cos' mental illness isn't exactly a barrel of laughs, is it?
dave_s13 said:
With the work going on to give us all "smart" motorways I wonder if they considered making them even smarter by having a system where barriers could be configured to create a contraflow around the hold up.
A tent over the vehicles involved would stop a single lane closure backing up to the coast! As would drivers being less stupid and ghoulish, but there's little hope of that...I wonder how many people, when actually stuck for three hours in a stationary queue of traffic on the motorway would simply shrug their shoulders and say 'ah, it must be an accident that needs thorough investigation' before settling back to wait patiently accompanied by Ken Bruce's dulcet tones.
People are getting wound up at the symptom, not the cause. In general the cause of the accidents and the subsequent gridlock is forty years of underinvestment in road by successive governments.
Why do so many commuters and HGVs have to set out so early in the first instance? Why, when there's an accident is there so often such traffic density that multiple vehicles are involved? Why is there no spare capacity or redundancy in the system?
It's all down to politicians who are London-centric, have offered en never actually earned a living outside of the central government and politics bubble and who we pay to travel first class rail/private aircraft when they deign to visit the provinces. They have no idea how the bulk of tax revenues are actually earned.
Broadly speaking, political idiots gave the likes of Swampy a platform in the 90s. The same had explicitly anti-car policies in the late 90s and early Noughties. There's not an administration that hasn't found worthy and noble excuses. It to invest.
I'd be willing to bet most businesses, certainly SMEs would cite congestion as major drain. I'd also be it greatly reduces both the mobility of labour - bad for both employer and employee alike, generally - as well as being a blight on the quality of leisure time. The government witter on about the productivity conundrum when a key area for major investment is staring us all in the face ever day.
Or maybe we should we all just get the tube.
Why do so many commuters and HGVs have to set out so early in the first instance? Why, when there's an accident is there so often such traffic density that multiple vehicles are involved? Why is there no spare capacity or redundancy in the system?
It's all down to politicians who are London-centric, have offered en never actually earned a living outside of the central government and politics bubble and who we pay to travel first class rail/private aircraft when they deign to visit the provinces. They have no idea how the bulk of tax revenues are actually earned.
Broadly speaking, political idiots gave the likes of Swampy a platform in the 90s. The same had explicitly anti-car policies in the late 90s and early Noughties. There's not an administration that hasn't found worthy and noble excuses. It to invest.
I'd be willing to bet most businesses, certainly SMEs would cite congestion as major drain. I'd also be it greatly reduces both the mobility of labour - bad for both employer and employee alike, generally - as well as being a blight on the quality of leisure time. The government witter on about the productivity conundrum when a key area for major investment is staring us all in the face ever day.
Or maybe we should we all just get the tube.
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