Questions you'd ask... a driver on the phone?
Discussion
leglessAlex said:
Nigel Worc's said:
As far as the law goes, this specific law, you can text, surf the net, whatever, as long as the device is in a cradle.
The law is b
ks, everyone knows this (well except for on here maybe), and this is why it is largely ignored, it is just bad law.
I don't actually support the law (I do abide by it though), you clearly do support the law (or at least you support what you think it means), it doesn't actually do justice to either of our opinions.
I can't see anything changing in the short term, either way, there aren't enough Police patrols left to enforce what the law does disallow, so like I suggested you may as well just get used to the behaviour and plan your own driving around what others are doing.
I'll admit, I didn't know about that law, so yes I supported what I thought the law meant. It sounds utterly insane to me that that's allowed, I was under the impression that allowing hands free simply meant you could use the phone to make or recieve calls by using loudspeaker or a specific headset. The law is b
ks, everyone knows this (well except for on here maybe), and this is why it is largely ignored, it is just bad law.I don't actually support the law (I do abide by it though), you clearly do support the law (or at least you support what you think it means), it doesn't actually do justice to either of our opinions.
I can't see anything changing in the short term, either way, there aren't enough Police patrols left to enforce what the law does disallow, so like I suggested you may as well just get used to the behaviour and plan your own driving around what others are doing.
When you said to get used to it I took it to mean we should accept the law as is and not look for change, and that was the part I most disagreed with. Of course I plan my driving accoridngly, I have to, it's no good being self righteous if it ends up with having an accident.
JimmyConwayNW said:
Personally for me driving on the phone whether with phone to ear or via cars Bluetooth system I feel makes no difference to my ability to drive and no further distraction than a conversation with a passenger.
Not a chance I would text or use Facebook watch videos while driving I would be all over the road.
29 fatalities directly attributed to mobile phone use in 2014.Not a chance I would text or use Facebook watch videos while driving I would be all over the road.
When talking to a passenger in the car they can adjust their conversation to what is happening on the road.
A remote caller cannot do this. Therein lies the danger.
No difference to your ability? Clouds and cuckoos spring to mind.
romeogolf said:
My car displays text messages on the screen in the centre console. It's actually quicker and safer for me to glance at the actual phone, hit any key to light up the screen, and READ the message than it is to go through 4 menus (TEL > Messages > SMS > Open the message itself) and read it on the screen in the car.
But even then, I couldn't even imagine looking down to do that in anything other than entirely stationary traffic.
An equal pet peeve of mine is for the people who know you're coming to pick them up and then TEXT you to change plans, or agree them, or ask a question which is important at that moment but won't be by the time you arrive (eg other drivers asking 'where can I park'? but by the time you've got there and seen it/replied, they'll have found somewhere)
You. Knew. I. Was. Driving. How the fk am I going to read or reply?
Romeo, Romeo, wherefore are thou common sense? (sorry Bill.)But even then, I couldn't even imagine looking down to do that in anything other than entirely stationary traffic.
An equal pet peeve of mine is for the people who know you're coming to pick them up and then TEXT you to change plans, or agree them, or ask a question which is important at that moment but won't be by the time you arrive (eg other drivers asking 'where can I park'? but by the time you've got there and seen it/replied, they'll have found somewhere)
You. Knew. I. Was. Driving. How the f
k am I going to read or reply?As a PHer you will know that if the engine is running it is illegal to use a communication device.
All that info on your screen and you are in charge of a car?
Stationary, (not credible), or not, an irrational action
leglessAlex said:
Nigel Worc's said:
As far as the law goes, this specific law, you can text, surf the net, whatever, as long as the device is in a cradle.
The law is bks, everyone knows this (well except for on here maybe), and this is why it is largely ignored, it is just bad law.
I don't actually support the law (I do abide by it though), you clearly do support the law (or at least you support what you think it means), it doesn't actually do justice to either of our opinions.
I can't see anything changing in the short term, either way, there aren't enough Police patrols left to enforce what the law does disallow, so like I suggested you may as well just get used to the behaviour and plan your own driving around what others are doing.
I'll admit, I didn't know about that law, so yes I supported what I thought the law meant. It sounds utterly insane to me that that's allowed, I was under the impression that allowing hands free simply meant you could use the phone to make or recieve calls by using loudspeaker or a specific headset. The law is b
ks, everyone knows this (well except for on here maybe), and this is why it is largely ignored, it is just bad law.I don't actually support the law (I do abide by it though), you clearly do support the law (or at least you support what you think it means), it doesn't actually do justice to either of our opinions.
I can't see anything changing in the short term, either way, there aren't enough Police patrols left to enforce what the law does disallow, so like I suggested you may as well just get used to the behaviour and plan your own driving around what others are doing.
When you said to get used to it I took it to mean we should accept the law as is and not look for change, and that was the part I most disagreed with. Of course I plan my driving accoridngly, I have to, it's no good being self righteous if it ends up with having an accident.
If your engine is running, it is illegal to use a phone, in a cradle or not. Just think for a moment....
WD39 said:
Incorrect.
If your engine is running, it is illegal to use a phone, in a cradle or not. Just think for a moment....
According to this link, http://www.driving-law.co.uk/offences/mobile_phone..., that is not the case and Nigel is correct. If your engine is running, it is illegal to use a phone, in a cradle or not. Just think for a moment....
I thought much the same as you but I was wrong, and it explains why taxis and the like can have and use their phones in the car, they just have to be mounted in some way.
WD39 said:
Incorrect.
If your engine is running, it is illegal to use a phone, in a cradle or not. Just think for a moment....
I think a better law would be that if you are on your own in the car, the phone has to be off or lock in the glove box. Not entirely necessary but the general public have shown they are not capable of knowing they have a text or message to read without having a quick look at it.If your engine is running, it is illegal to use a phone, in a cradle or not. Just think for a moment....
You all have to remember, there are people out there whom can't drive, phone or no phone. Equally, there are people whom have had phones in their cars for 20 years now, so being on the phone in the car is as natural to them as any other driving action.
Problem is you can't create rules for both camps. I preferred the old rules, driving without due care and attention, if someone is seen driving like an idiot, due to phone use, do them.
Sadly, due to the fact that phone use in a car has been deemed socially unacceptable now, it's more likely that the rules will change eventually to mean that a device may run that kills signal use while a vehicle is moving. Legislation sucks.
Problem is you can't create rules for both camps. I preferred the old rules, driving without due care and attention, if someone is seen driving like an idiot, due to phone use, do them.
Sadly, due to the fact that phone use in a car has been deemed socially unacceptable now, it's more likely that the rules will change eventually to mean that a device may run that kills signal use while a vehicle is moving. Legislation sucks.
Golgarth said:
You all have to remember, there are people out there whom can't drive, phone or no phone. Equally, there are people whom have had phones in their cars for 20 years now, so being on the phone in the car is as natural to them as any other driving action.
Problem is you can't create rules for both camps. I preferred the old rules, driving without due care and attention, if someone is seen driving like an idiot, due to phone use, do them.
Sadly, due to the fact that phone use in a car has been deemed socially unacceptable now, it's more likely that the rules will change eventually to mean that a device may run that kills signal use while a vehicle is moving. Legislation sucks.
I don't have a problem with phones in cars. I have a problem with cProblem is you can't create rules for both camps. I preferred the old rules, driving without due care and attention, if someone is seen driving like an idiot, due to phone use, do them.
Sadly, due to the fact that phone use in a car has been deemed socially unacceptable now, it's more likely that the rules will change eventually to mean that a device may run that kills signal use while a vehicle is moving. Legislation sucks.
s that aren't looking where they're going.Golgarth said:
Sadly, due to the fact that phone use in a car has been deemed socially unacceptable now, it's more likely that the rules will change eventually to mean that a device may run that kills signal use while a vehicle is moving. Legislation sucks.
Unlikely. Perfectly acceptable for a passenger to use their phone. How does your device tell the difference? WD39 said:
romeogolf said:
My car displays text messages on the screen in the centre console. It's actually quicker and safer for me to glance at the actual phone, hit any key to light up the screen, and READ the message than it is to go through 4 menus (TEL > Messages > SMS > Open the message itself) and read it on the screen in the car.
But even then, I couldn't even imagine looking down to do that in anything other than entirely stationary traffic.
An equal pet peeve of mine is for the people who know you're coming to pick them up and then TEXT you to change plans, or agree them, or ask a question which is important at that moment but won't be by the time you arrive (eg other drivers asking 'where can I park'? but by the time you've got there and seen it/replied, they'll have found somewhere)
You. Knew. I. Was. Driving. How the fk am I going to read or reply?
Romeo, Romeo, wherefore are thou common sense? (sorry Bill.)But even then, I couldn't even imagine looking down to do that in anything other than entirely stationary traffic.
An equal pet peeve of mine is for the people who know you're coming to pick them up and then TEXT you to change plans, or agree them, or ask a question which is important at that moment but won't be by the time you arrive (eg other drivers asking 'where can I park'? but by the time you've got there and seen it/replied, they'll have found somewhere)
You. Knew. I. Was. Driving. How the f
k am I going to read or reply?As a PHer you will know that if the engine is running it is illegal to use a communication device.
All that info on your screen and you are in charge of a car?
Stationary, (not credible), or not, an irrational action
I couldnt use mine whilst driving, its too fiddly, needs full attention, it connects to the stereo anyway, the tech is so cheap and easily available, I am not sure what they are doing, too thick to pair it ?
I saw a girl in a new Beetle with Heat magazine on the steering wheel reading it in traffic, that speaks volumes, the kind of fktard that buys that nonesense is the kind that does this, then, when they have an accident they wail "why meee".
Same with bald tyres, broken bulbs and other examples of a lack of care, just be glad they arent pilots.
I saw a girl in a new Beetle with Heat magazine on the steering wheel reading it in traffic, that speaks volumes, the kind of f
ktard that buys that nonesense is the kind that does this, then, when they have an accident they wail "why meee".Same with bald tyres, broken bulbs and other examples of a lack of care, just be glad they arent pilots.
everyeggabird said:
DillonL said:
A few months ago I was travelling up the M6 at night as a passenger. We were in lane 3 trying to get past a long line of slow vehicles, but there was a car in front of us doing about 70mph and swerving all over the lane. As we got closer, we noticed the interior light was on.
Eventually, the car pulled into lane 2 and we passed. As we drove past we noticed why she had been swerving and why the light was on. She was on FaceTime/Skype. Holding the phone up next to her sun visor with one hand and steering with the other.
It was then too late to take down her reg number as we couldn't see it from in front of her.
Just a couple of points sprung out at me. A long line of slow vehicles.......doing about 70mph.Eventually, the car pulled into lane 2 and we passed. As we drove past we noticed why she had been swerving and why the light was on. She was on FaceTime/Skype. Holding the phone up next to her sun visor with one hand and steering with the other.
It was then too late to take down her reg number as we couldn't see it from in front of her.
ER the speed limit on the motorway is 70mph.
We were in lane 3 trying to get past a long line of slow vehicles in lane 2.
romeogolf said:
WD39 said:
romeogolf said:
My car displays text messages on the screen in the centre console. It's actually quicker and safer for me to glance at the actual phone, hit any key to light up the screen, and READ the message than it is to go through 4 menus (TEL > Messages > SMS > Open the message itself) and read it on the screen in the car.
But even then, I couldn't even imagine looking down to do that in anything other than entirely stationary traffic.
An equal pet peeve of mine is for the people who know you're coming to pick them up and then TEXT you to change plans, or agree them, or ask a question which is important at that moment but won't be by the time you arrive (eg other drivers asking 'where can I park'? but by the time you've got there and seen it/replied, they'll have found somewhere)
You. Knew. I. Was. Driving. How the fk am I going to read or reply?
Romeo, Romeo, wherefore are thou common sense? (sorry Bill.)But even then, I couldn't even imagine looking down to do that in anything other than entirely stationary traffic.
An equal pet peeve of mine is for the people who know you're coming to pick them up and then TEXT you to change plans, or agree them, or ask a question which is important at that moment but won't be by the time you arrive (eg other drivers asking 'where can I park'? but by the time you've got there and seen it/replied, they'll have found somewhere)
You. Knew. I. Was. Driving. How the f
k am I going to read or reply?As a PHer you will know that if the engine is running it is illegal to use a communication device.
All that info on your screen and you are in charge of a car?
Stationary, (not credible), or not, an irrational action
(Report to the headmaster for six of the best.)
The worrying this for me is, while people on the phone are a pain and clearly distracted by the call they're taking they tend to be slow and over cautious. People who text/facebook while on the move tend to not even be looking at whats going on ahead. I can only see massive rear end shunts getting worse.
It's more than phones. Yesterday on the way to work I saw a man in a mid 90's Audi A4 reading what looked like an A4 piece of paper. He was obviously quite into the reading as he was weaving from side to side in his lane from the moment I spotted him, and sat in the middle lane, and completely oblivious to my horn on the way past.
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