RE: Audi S3 v Seat Leon Cupra R: Blood Bros
Discussion
kambites said:
Hmm, our Octavia VRS will do high 30s easily on a longish drive and mid-40s if you're really careful. I know the Audi is heavier and more highly tuned but I doubt it'd be that much worse?
Yep - the EA113 engine in 265PS guise really is that bad*. It'll get mid-30s on a 60mph run however much over that speed and you're below 30mpg. You may just crack 40mpg however you'd need to be travelling at a steady 45mph on a perfectly flat road.*I don't think it's that bad given the performance on offer.
MrBarry123 said:
kambites said:
Hmm, our Octavia VRS will do high 30s easily on a longish drive and mid-40s if you're really careful. I know the Audi is heavier and more highly tuned but I doubt it'd be that much worse?
Yep - the EA113 engine in 265PS guise really is that bad*. It'll get mid-30s on a 60mph run however much over that speed and you're below 30mpg. You may just crack 40mpg however you'd need to be travelling at a steady 45mph on a perfectly flat road.*I don't think it's that bad given the performance on offer.
On a run with 80% motorway sitting at about 80, it will always be about 31/32mpg. The only time I've had more was an average 60 on the motorway over about 40 miles where it crept up to 42mpg average for the journey, admittedly both the starting point and destination were less than a mile off the motorway. Day to day commuting it's anywhere from 25-28 depending on traffic.
As you say, for the performance on offer I think it's remarkably good! I tend to get itchy feet with cars and like to switch quite often, but the S3 I've had 2 years now and I'd still struggle to replace it for the same sort of money.
macky17 said:
Kitchski said:
Would have been better if you hadn't needed to edit it.
Realised you might need the link.
I'll give you that one!My point still stands. If, high on your list of priorities of what hot hatch to buy is the 'image' the thing has, then that's a pretty tragic state of affairs.
In fact I'll edit that: If, high on your list of priorities of what
Personally, I'd take the S3 every single day of the week (well actually i'd ignore bot hand buy a mk6 golf r).
My GTi is standard at 210 BHP and unless its bone dry it spins up when accelerating. First gear is useless if your foot is even remotely pressing the right pedal. Basically it's just move off the line and into second gear ASAP. In the wet second gear is much the same. It has totally put me off the idea of a remap, or indeed any modifications! I cannot imagine how piss poor the grip is on that LCR, and I suspect accelerating hard out of a corner is even worse.
The looks of the LCR also really do not do it for me. Looks extremely cheap inside and out.
My GTi is standard at 210 BHP and unless its bone dry it spins up when accelerating. First gear is useless if your foot is even remotely pressing the right pedal. Basically it's just move off the line and into second gear ASAP. In the wet second gear is much the same. It has totally put me off the idea of a remap, or indeed any modifications! I cannot imagine how piss poor the grip is on that LCR, and I suspect accelerating hard out of a corner is even worse.
The looks of the LCR also really do not do it for me. Looks extremely cheap inside and out.
kambites said:
moffat said:
"yet could readily return high-30s mpg on a run"
Yeah right... driven at 56mph cruise control it might get mid 30's.
Hmm, our Octavia VRS will do high 30s easily on a longish drive and mid-40s if you're really careful. I know the Audi is heavier and more highly tuned but I doubt it'd be that much worse?Yeah right... driven at 56mph cruise control it might get mid 30's.
Kitchski said:
macky17 said:
Kitchski said:
Would have been better if you hadn't needed to edit it.
Realised you might need the link. I'll give you that one!My point still stands. If, high on your list of priorities of what hot hatch to buy is the 'image' the thing has, then that's a pretty tragic state of affairs.
In fact I'll edit that: If, high on your list of priorities of what
I don't think it's wrong to have 'image' on the list somewhere though, especially if you use your car for work. But to put that above dynamics, character or fun is crazy thinking.
Edition 30 is indeed a better steer than either of these, primary because of the steering itself which is more direct. Ultimately, all these VAG products are a little generic though and suffer the same reliability issues for all their soft plastics. I'd take the Cupra as it's furthest from the understated conformity BS of the Audi.
macky17 said:
Agreed. That would have been a better observation to make than your initial comment on page 1
I don't think it's wrong to have 'image' on the list somewhere though, especially if you use your car for work. But to put that above dynamics, character or fun is crazy thinking.
Edition 30 is indeed a better steer than either of these, primary because of the steering itself which is more direct. Ultimately, all these VAG products are a little generic though and suffer the same reliability issues for all their soft plastics. I'd take the Cupra as it's furthest from the understated conformity BS of the Audi.
I'd probably take the Cupra too, or a Skoda equivalent.I don't think it's wrong to have 'image' on the list somewhere though, especially if you use your car for work. But to put that above dynamics, character or fun is crazy thinking.
Edition 30 is indeed a better steer than either of these, primary because of the steering itself which is more direct. Ultimately, all these VAG products are a little generic though and suffer the same reliability issues for all their soft plastics. I'd take the Cupra as it's furthest from the understated conformity BS of the Audi.
Comment on the first page was the gut reaction. People don't care about my opinions enough to warrant me explaining them
chrisb92 said:
Personally, I'd take the S3 every single day of the week (well actually i'd ignore bot hand buy a mk6 golf r).
My GTi is standard at 210 BHP and unless its bone dry it spins up when accelerating. First gear is useless if your foot is even remotely pressing the right pedal. Basically it's just move off the line and into second gear ASAP. In the wet second gear is much the same. It has totally put me off the idea of a remap, or indeed any modifications! I cannot imagine how piss poor the grip is on that LCR, and I suspect accelerating hard out of a corner is even worse.
The looks of the LCR also really do not do it for me. Looks extremely cheap inside and out.
Interesting regarding the spinning in 1st/2nd with standard power? I regularly drive my brothers 400bhp tuned Focus ST, believe me it shoots like a rocket and dosen't spin when planting it in the dry, strange.My GTi is standard at 210 BHP and unless its bone dry it spins up when accelerating. First gear is useless if your foot is even remotely pressing the right pedal. Basically it's just move off the line and into second gear ASAP. In the wet second gear is much the same. It has totally put me off the idea of a remap, or indeed any modifications! I cannot imagine how piss poor the grip is on that LCR, and I suspect accelerating hard out of a corner is even worse.
The looks of the LCR also really do not do it for me. Looks extremely cheap inside and out.
When I was looking at buying mine, the only alternative that I'd considered was the Astra VXR...after a test drive of that it soon confirmed I'd much rather have the 4wd. The traction control light must have lit up 5/6 times to which the salesman replied, "it just needs new tyres". When we got back and went round the front, the tyres can't have been much more than a few months old and weren't budgets!
chrisb92 said:
Personally, I'd take the S3 every single day of the week (well actually i'd ignore bot hand buy a mk6 golf r).
My GTi is standard at 210 BHP and unless its bone dry it spins up when accelerating. First gear is useless if your foot is even remotely pressing the right pedal. Basically it's just move off the line and into second gear ASAP. In the wet second gear is much the same. It has totally put me off the idea of a remap, or indeed any modifications! I cannot imagine how piss poor the grip is on that LCR, and I suspect accelerating hard out of a corner is even worse.
The looks of the LCR also really do not do it for me. Looks extremely cheap inside and out.
Indeed you are right, you really can't imagine how poor the grip is on the LCR My GTi is standard at 210 BHP and unless its bone dry it spins up when accelerating. First gear is useless if your foot is even remotely pressing the right pedal. Basically it's just move off the line and into second gear ASAP. In the wet second gear is much the same. It has totally put me off the idea of a remap, or indeed any modifications! I cannot imagine how piss poor the grip is on that LCR, and I suspect accelerating hard out of a corner is even worse.
The looks of the LCR also really do not do it for me. Looks extremely cheap inside and out.
that's probably because the grip isn't poor, the most powerful Cupra I've driven so far has around 300bhp, and the grip was excellent with only a bit of wheel spin, even on summer tyres in this crappy weather. I have winter tyres on my standard LCR and have no grip issues at all. We haven't put winters on the S3 this year, and that's the car with grip issues at the moment Kitchski said:
macky17 said:
Kitchski said:
Would have been better if you hadn't needed to edit it.
Realised you might need the link. I'll give you that one!My point still stands. If, high on your list of priorities of what hot hatch to buy is the 'image' the thing has, then that's a pretty tragic state of affairs.
In fact I'll edit that: If, high on your list of priorities of what
WJNB said:
However wonderful the car a SEAT sits(!) at the bottom of the VAG pile.
If you have achieved something in your life or aspire to the best you don't put a SEAT on your drive.
I'm so glad I don't worry myself with that sort of nonsense. If you have achieved something in your life or aspire to the best you don't put a SEAT on your drive.
ETA: If I needed the space I'd go for the Cupra otherwise a 3dr S3 would do me fine.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
WJNB said:
However wonderful the car a SEAT sits(!) at the bottom of the VAG pile.
If you have achieved something in your life or aspire to the best you don't put a SEAT on your drive.
Got to make sure the neighbour knows you have made it, Loadsamoney......If you have achieved something in your life or aspire to the best you don't put a SEAT on your drive.
SteA said:
Indeed you are right, you really can't imagine how poor the grip is on the LCR that's probably because the grip isn't poor, the most powerful Cupra I've driven so far has around 300bhp, and the grip was excellent with only a bit of wheel spin, even on summer tyres in this crappy weather. I have winter tyres on my standard LCR and have no grip issues at all. We haven't put winters on the S3 this year, and that's the car with grip issues at the moment
Quite. that's probably because the grip isn't poor, the most powerful Cupra I've driven so far has around 300bhp, and the grip was excellent with only a bit of wheel spin, even on summer tyres in this crappy weather. I have winter tyres on my standard LCR and have no grip issues at all. We haven't put winters on the S3 this year, and that's the car with grip issues at the moment In the rain I get a bit of slip initially but on anything resembling a dry day and with some warmth in the tyres, I've never struggled for grip at any point - it just hooks up and goes. The only time I'd see a Haldex type system being useful is from a standing start and I mince away from traffic lights as it is so there's no real benefit there. I'll stick FWD and take the associated weight saving!
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