RE: BMW 435d xDrive: PH Carpool
Discussion
Sticks. said:
Ares said:
How would I do all of those, more simply, with a virtual cockpit. genuinely intrigued.
With those 9 shortcuts, yes, fine. But you are limited to those (and 1 would be to turn the screen off, for example - why not a button like my Z4?). But I found once you're outside of those pre-sets, the Audi system works better, eg quickly moving between DAB and USB, then to music library. Calling the wife? I'd just use mfsw button then the voice recognition, keeping both hands on the wheel fwiw- though tbh I tend not to use the phone when driving.I'm not saying one is better than the other, but for me the BMW set up didn't fall to hand the way the Audi does. Try one and see.
Sticks. said:
With those 9 shortcuts, yes, fine. But you are limited to those (and 1 would be to turn the screen off, for example - why not a button like my Z4?). But I found once you're outside of those pre-sets, the Audi system works better, eg quickly moving between DAB and USB, then to music library. Calling the wife? I'd just use mfsw button then the voice recognition, keeping both hands on the wheel fwiw- though tbh I tend not to use the phone when driving.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, but for me the BMW set up didn't fall to hand the way the Audi does. Try one and see.
Don't really understand this. In my BMW to call my wife I press the call button which is already under my right thumb on the steering wheel and say 'call wife'. You wouldn't even see my hands move to do this.I'm not saying one is better than the other, but for me the BMW set up didn't fall to hand the way the Audi does. Try one and see.
Changing from DBA to the internal music is again only a single button press. I really can't understand how Audi make this simpler, or why you think BMW have mucked this up?
Super_G said:
Love my 435d x drive m sport automatic coupe. Amazing car. Well designed. Enough power for my needs. No other car I know has returned 40+ mpg on the autobahn at 100+ mph. Taken it through snow and all sorts of weather in Europe. No problems.
When I got my 640d 4yrs ago, I looked really hard at the 435d x-drive. At the time, I did think it was arguably the best car in the real world*I went for the 640d instead as aside from the crazy days around making it only 10% more expensive at the time, it was just a class ahead. I then had it tweaked by Schnitzer to c370bhp. Now THAT done to a 435d would be incredible
(* and I obviously got criticised blind for saying so on here
)Ares said:
When I got my 640d 4yrs ago, I looked really hard at the 435d x-drive. At the time, I did think it was arguably the best car in the real world*
I went for the 640d instead as aside from the crazy days around making it only 10% more expensive at the time, it was just a class ahead. I then had it tweaked by Schnitzer to c370bhp. Now THAT done to a 435d would be incredible
(* and I obviously got criticised blind for saying so on here )
Your threads on the 640d were classic I went for the 640d instead as aside from the crazy days around making it only 10% more expensive at the time, it was just a class ahead. I then had it tweaked by Schnitzer to c370bhp. Now THAT done to a 435d would be incredible
(* and I obviously got criticised blind for saying so on here
)
and it feels like yesterday because I remember them so well. Time flies. 
Ares said:
emicen said:
Can’t get past a 430d MSport for my next car, on balance of performance, economy and coupe-ness
435d?The additional performance over a mapped 430d is marginal when you’re not in to traffic light Grand Prix.
I’d rather have the additional fuel economy and lower purchase price.
julian64 said:
Sticks. said:
With those 9 shortcuts, yes, fine. But you are limited to those (and 1 would be to turn the screen off, for example - why not a button like my Z4?). But I found once you're outside of those pre-sets, the Audi system works better, eg quickly moving between DAB and USB, then to music library. Calling the wife? I'd just use mfsw button then the voice recognition, keeping both hands on the wheel fwiw- though tbh I tend not to use the phone when driving.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, but for me the BMW set up didn't fall to hand the way the Audi does. Try one and see.
Don't really understand this. In my BMW to call my wife I press the call button which is already under my right thumb on the steering wheel and say 'call wife'. You wouldn't even see my hands move to do this.I'm not saying one is better than the other, but for me the BMW set up didn't fall to hand the way the Audi does. Try one and see.
Changing from DBA to the internal music is again only a single button press. I really can't understand how Audi make this simpler, or why you think BMW have mucked this up?
I can't imagine a system that "falls to hand" better than one that has the buttons under your thumb....
Shiv_P said:
Wills2 said:
I also prefer analogue dials for the main instruments.
How surprising, what's the bet when BMW bring proper digital dials you will prefer them 
You'll just have to accept that opinions differ and we all like different things.
Edited by Wills2 on Wednesday 14th March 12:00
emicen said:
xDrive is a bit of a deal breaker, or more the 90kg additional weight and additional ride height.
The additional performance over a mapped 430d is marginal when you’re not in to traffic light Grand Prix.
I’d rather have the additional fuel economy and lower purchase price.
...not against a mapped 435d though. Apples with Apples etc The additional performance over a mapped 430d is marginal when you’re not in to traffic light Grand Prix.
I’d rather have the additional fuel economy and lower purchase price.
jl4069 said:
Why do we never see comparisons of BMW, Audi and MB all wheel drive systems? I'd like to know how they compare. J
We do https://youtu.be/ILJh3IPgXN4
emicen said:
Can’t get past a 430d MSport for my next car, on balance of performance, economy and coupe-ness
I have just sold mine and it was truly a great car. 27k miles in just over a year and it was so economical and very fast mid range. The one thing they are not though is fun despite the suggestive coupe looks. I have bought an M4 to replace it and despite it costing me twice as much in fuel it does put the smile back on my face.jl4069 said:
Im not talking about a BMW sponsored test. And im talking about on real roads with changing conditions. I know the german publications do this but its silly the UK press wont do it. Evo especially as they bill themselves as the enthusiasts journal. j
From memory, that was a magazine test, in the US.It was just on a BMW YouTube channel. All reports I've seen rate the BMW system as better than most, but then they took most of the technology from Land Rover so not overly surprising.
Ares said:
jl4069 said:
Why do we never see comparisons of BMW, Audi and MB all wheel drive systems? I'd like to know how they compare. J
We do https://youtu.be/ILJh3IPgXN4
Wills2 said:
Ares said:
jl4069 said:
Why do we never see comparisons of BMW, Audi and MB all wheel drive systems? I'd like to know how they compare. J
We do https://youtu.be/ILJh3IPgXN4
longbow said:
And faster round a track than a Cayman S Must have usurped the 335d as the new fastest car on PH and in the 'real world'. Still, can't be faster than a Golf R though, surely!?!?!?
Zandvoort 2015 & Cadwell Park 2016 - we tested them back to back and at the same time on track. Must have usurped the 335d as the new fastest car on PH and in the 'real world'. Still, can't be faster than a Golf R though, surely!?!?!? In the twisty corners there was nothing in it.. on the long sweepy corners, the Xdrive really helped against the RWD Porsche and on the straights the BM was pulling away (just) on the Porsche.. HOWEVER,the BM would only do about 2 laps before the brakes cried out for mercy AND < i did say my car was "not exactly stock" performance wise -
wink, wink..
also, TYRES - has a LOT to do with it...
Didnt go up against a Golf R, so could not say... i would have thought it would be close though....
and yes, i did out drag an Evo, several times (Albeit an older gen 4) the guy claimed it had around 400hp and with the supporting mods, it may well of done... but he could not get the power down. it either bogged, or wheelspan.
thats the problem with manual gearboxes and over enthusiastic drivers, versus very clever 4WD and launch control...
overall, after testing (at the time 2014/15) the equivalent Audi, Merc, VW, Maserrati, (awful thing) back to back, the 4 Series won in every single way.. by a country mile in some respects as well..
Edited by NJC0607 on Saturday 17th March 12:18
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