Celica on long journeys? (yet another sub 3k what car)
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Hi everyone, as title basically, i've been driving a 1.2 clio for 3 years now and am just starting to do around 400 miles a week. I'm quite a tall chap and the clio just isn't cutting the long distance mustard (going home from uni at the weekend is a 340 mile round trip). Budget is around 3k, been considering many things from celicas to diesel a4s (though i'm not a diesel fan). Any other suggestions? Cheers 
they are fine. i'm 6ft too. they offer great cornering support and adjust up down, forward backwards and whatnot... they are just sports seats. a cushion or maybe a nice beaded cover will help iof they aren't doing it for you
smashing car... get one simply NOT to have to sink to an audi!
smashing car... get one simply NOT to have to sink to an audi!
You looking at the 190 or 140? A guy on here was saying the 190s are just geared for all out acceleration so in top gear at 80mph the revs are sitting at 4k, which isn't a nice place to be. The 140s are apparently better in this regard, but not as fast obviously.
Edited by Toyoda on Monday 8th February 19:28
Toyoda said:
You looking at the 190 or 140? A guy on here was saying the 190s are just geared for all out acceleration so in top gear at 80mph the revs are sitting at 4k, which isn't a nice place to be. The 140s are apparently better in this regard, but not as fast obviously.
The 190 I drove was very tall-geared actually, which was rather pointless in a car like this, but would result in lower revs at speed in top. I find it difficult to imagine the 140 model being geared any differently; if the gearing were any taller, it'd be even more chronically slow than I imagine it to be!I'd personally want something with a bit more torque on a motorway. How about a 325Ti ?
TameRacingDriver said:
Toyoda said:
You looking at the 190 or 140? A guy on here was saying the 190s are just geared for all out acceleration so in top gear at 80mph the revs are sitting at 4k, which isn't a nice place to be. The 140s are apparently better in this regard, but not as fast obviously.
The 190 I drove was very tall-geared actually, which was rather pointless in a car like this, but would result in lower revs at speed in top. I find it difficult to imagine the 140 model being geared any differently; if the gearing were any taller, it'd be even more chronically slow than I imagine it to be!I'd personally want something with a bit more torque on a motorway. How about a 325Ti ?
Edited by jackroutly on Monday 8th February 20:14
I did 600 miles in one sitting in my mk7 Celica this summer - Calais to Bordeaux. Found it very comfortable (I'm 6'1").
It's not quite as comfortable on bumpy British roads, but still perfectly fine for a 2/300 mile jaunt in the UK.
The seats to take a little getting used to, but once you've tinkered with the strange squab height/back tilt combination they are very good and supportive imo.
40mpg is achievable in light motorway traffic at 70.
They aren't soft floaty cruisers by any means, but are surprisingly comfortable for a taut agile car that can be thrown down a tight twisty b-road at a good old lick.
It's not quite as comfortable on bumpy British roads, but still perfectly fine for a 2/300 mile jaunt in the UK.
The seats to take a little getting used to, but once you've tinkered with the strange squab height/back tilt combination they are very good and supportive imo.
40mpg is achievable in light motorway traffic at 70.
They aren't soft floaty cruisers by any means, but are surprisingly comfortable for a taut agile car that can be thrown down a tight twisty b-road at a good old lick.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
For once I'm actually recommending the lesser engine model..
Decent enough speed post facelift, far far quicker than your current steed and for 2500 you can pick up a cherished low miles example. I've done a painful amount of motorway miles in various cars and the 3er (I had the pre facelift 318i so less power) stands out as being very capable and comfortable, but still fun in the twisties.
The above one was selected at random from the first page of results on autotrader.
If you do need more speed then get the bigger engine.
In fact I think I'm going to buy one myself soon
TameRacingDriver said:
The 190 I drove was very tall-geared actually, which was rather pointless in a car like this, but would result in lower revs at speed in top. I find it difficult to imagine the 140 model being geared any differently; if the gearing were any taller, it'd be even more chronically slow than I imagine it to be!
Recently discussed here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Can't find the post I was thinking of (darn PH search function) but I'm sure someone said what I wrote above about the gearing. You yourself said that it was impossible to keep it in lift during gearchanges, which is surely a major flaw in the 190. Still, a lot more fun than the 140!
jackroutly said:
It's a 140 I've been looking at. Tbh I'm not to worried it's the slower of the two as coming from a 75hp Clio anythings bound to feel quick XD, not really a fan of the 3 compact, bit awkward looking imo
Fair point I guess the Ti isn't the best looker, but look at it this way, you don't get to see it most of the time, as you are in it, and it will be a way, WAY better drive than a 140 Celica. More of everything from speed, handling, noise, comfort and refinement. It would be a complete no brainer for me especially for regular long journeys.TameRacingDriver said:
Fair point I guess the Ti isn't the best looker, but look at it this way, you don't get to see it most of the time, as you are in it, and it will be a way, WAY better drive than a 140 Celica. More of everything from speed, handling, noise, comfort and refinement. It would be a complete no brainer for me especially for regular long journeys.
I'm not sure why you're suggesting the Ti over the Ci? The coupe is more of a direct competitor surely
Toyoda said:
Recently discussed here.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Can't find the post I was thinking of (darn PH search function) but I'm sure someone said what I wrote above about the gearing. You yourself said that it was impossible to keep it in lift during gearchanges, which is surely a major flaw in the 190. Still, a lot more fun than the 140!
I don't know if the one I drove was knackered in some way, it was difficult at times to get into third when going for it. The gearing was so tall and power band so narrow it was very hard work keeping it in lift, borderline impossible at times! I can imagine you getting a sensible RPM @ 70 in the 190 but having absolutely NO torque. This would not be enjoyable for me after a while. Mind, my FN2 was similar but quite different; the gearing was much better for acceleration and overtaking (and with the Group N map had a lot more midrange), but cruised at silly high RPMs. I didn't exactly *need* to, but ended up wearing earplugs for my 150 mile journey to Glasgow now and again which saved me from having ringing ears. This is why I suggest a nice cultured straight-6 http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Can't find the post I was thinking of (darn PH search function) but I'm sure someone said what I wrote above about the gearing. You yourself said that it was impossible to keep it in lift during gearchanges, which is surely a major flaw in the 190. Still, a lot more fun than the 140!
Any straight-6 BMW is a much more civilised companion for this type of driving than a Celica or CTR, and can only imagine a car like the 325Ti (or E46 328/330) being a nicer proposition for long range driving, but also still good to hoon about it, especially being RWD too.Toyoda said:
TameRacingDriver said:
The 190 I drove was very tall-geared actually, which was rather pointless in a car like this, but would result in lower revs at speed in top. I find it difficult to imagine the 140 model being geared any differently; if the gearing were any taller, it'd be even more chronically slow than I imagine it to be!
Recently discussed here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Can't find the post I was thinking of (darn PH search function) but I'm sure someone said what I wrote above about the gearing. You yourself said that it was impossible to keep it in lift during gearchanges, which is surely a major flaw in the 190. Still, a lot more fun than the 140!
140 box 6th gear = 23.1 mph per 1000rpm
s m said:
190 box 6th gear = 20.5 mph per 1000rpm
140 box 6th gear = 23.1 mph per 1000rpm
Cheers that must have been it. So 80mph in top in the 190 = 3.9k revs, in the 140 it would be 3.46k revs. Doesn't sound much but with a boomy exhaust, and not a lot of soundproofing it's probably quite a noticeable difference. 140 box 6th gear = 23.1 mph per 1000rpm
Toyoda said:
s m said:
190 box 6th gear = 20.5 mph per 1000rpm
140 box 6th gear = 23.1 mph per 1000rpm
Cheers that must have been it. So 80mph in top in the 190 = 3.9k revs, in the 10 it would be 3.46k revs. Doesn't sound much but with a boomy exhaust, and not a lot of soundproofing it's probably quite a noticeable difference. 140 box 6th gear = 23.1 mph per 1000rpm
I guess the 'noise quality' may be different though
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