why do people do this and why are they so stupid??
Discussion
currybum said:
Depends on who they were and my relationship to them, as I said my parents did just that for my cousin.
But as a society if we can identify those who are likely to gown the path of criminality and offer support or alternatives early..is that not better than just locking them up?
That is not an answer. You mean 'no', which is absolutely reasonable. In this case, with this footage, explain your plan to me?But as a society if we can identify those who are likely to gown the path of criminality and offer support or alternatives early..is that not better than just locking them up?
currybum said:
That’s a bit of a “golden age” facially, overall crime is on a general downward trend, the issue is that the reporting of it is increasing. Even 5 years ago what are the chances that anyone outside of the incident would have heard about these tyres? Now with everyone having cameras and access to the internet the news of it can be discussed globally within minutes.
Every generation has the impression that kids are getting out of control and being treated too leniently…..it’s just something that happens when you grow up and stop doing stupid stuff.
I think that is massively simplifying the issue. I grew up in a 'golden age' of raves and drugs. There wasn't the knife crime or the general attitude from younger kids. I have siblings who are, how can I put this without offending...drug riddled sob stories. I too could have chosen that path, I had the same information at my disposal and we all had the same chances in life. Some just want the fast and easy option, education is too much like work and having a good time is just one of those things, you know until you 'grow up and stop doing stupid stuff'. But he didn't. Every generation has the impression that kids are getting out of control and being treated too leniently…..it’s just something that happens when you grow up and stop doing stupid stuff.
currybum said:
I lost quite a bit in the London riots, I confronted some of the kids doing it and my lasting impression was that I just felt sorry for them….the chances of them ever making something of their lives were pretty low…and they knew it. Which is a pretty depressing thing to witness of a 17 year old.
That is not to condone their actions, but when you have nothing to lose and nothing to do, you look for something that gives you a buzz.
Accepting crime is a liberal mentality. I accept life doesn't always give everyone a fair chance but there are those that choose to lie down and accept it and those that fight. That is not to condone their actions, but when you have nothing to lose and nothing to do, you look for something that gives you a buzz.
You haven't addressed the question anyway. What are you going to do with the little angel in the clip? What are you going to do with the more serious offenders?
Not to make light of it all but is it tea and biscuits with a sympathetic 'oh that's awful' for everyone?
currybum said:
I lost quite a bit in the London riots, I confronted some of the kids doing it and my lasting impression was that I just felt sorry for them….the chances of them ever making something of their lives were pretty low…and they knew it.
I really find it very hard indeed to believe that anyone actually directly encountering any element of those feral mobs felt anything other than scared at the time. I certainly find it hard to believe anyone alone and/or unarmed would have 'confronted' them.Even if you did, did you actually engage them in conversation and why would you take any of their responses at face value in any case?
If someone walking off with a TV says "can't get no job, mum's on benefits and got three brothers, innit bruv", then that's a 'rationale', but it wouldn't make me feel sorry for them for a moment.
By their actions, you know for certain that they are a negligently raised, defective individual who is intentionally refusing to respect the rules of a civilised society. They're inventing a 'justification' for criminal acts which actually cannot ever be justified, because they refuse to accept that they cannot have something that they cannot afford.
Social security in this country is sufficient that nobody need live in unacceptable conditions. That's why you didn't see rioters walking off with piles of basic foodstuffs. And that is why they don't deserve or need an iota of our sympathy or understanding, because they're common criminals. The rest of us should be grateful for every moment they spent behind bars.
OK - This place has actually gone totally mental.
Yes it is mindless vandalism - but holy f
k!
The only remotely sensible suggestion in among all of the things above which basically guarantee re-offending (aside from the ones involving murder and killing at birth in the name of being civilized, which i suppose guarantee not re-offending, though are the products of unhinged minds) is the one suggesting they work unpaid at a tyre fitters (supervised). I quite like that one.
That way you may end up with an actual functioning member of society at the other end.
This place usually loves a bit of Winston Churchill (who doesn't?) he said '“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country'
Yes it is mindless vandalism - but holy f
k!The only remotely sensible suggestion in among all of the things above which basically guarantee re-offending (aside from the ones involving murder and killing at birth in the name of being civilized, which i suppose guarantee not re-offending, though are the products of unhinged minds) is the one suggesting they work unpaid at a tyre fitters (supervised). I quite like that one.
That way you may end up with an actual functioning member of society at the other end.
This place usually loves a bit of Winston Churchill (who doesn't?) he said '“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country'
currybum said:
Urmm…yes, is it not obvious that having teens walking "nonchalantly" might be considered more civilised than having hundreds of people hacked to death publically. You don’t have to consider one to be civilised to think that the other might be less so.
Extreme Daily Mail argument.currybum said:
Yes.
The death penalty doesn't make one country less civilized. What would you do with serial killers exactly? Chopping them up for spares is about the most sensible thing.currybum said:
No, I’m very much against it. I teach my children that revenge and violence is a bad thing, so can’t really condone it as legitimate response for a civilised society.
This Utopian society you speak of, where is it? Would you not advocate self defense under any circumstances?currybum said:
Its people from deprived areas with low employment who cause the problems, and the criminality they those areas have to put up with must be pretty harrowing…but how do we fix it? Deterrents don’t work for those who have nothing to lose, we could take people out of circulation at strike one..locking up them indefinitely, which is not far away from the US model where they lock up 1% of the population.
If it is not all individuals committing crime under these specific circumstances then there is obviously more to it. currybum said:
In my opinion the best way to avoid criminality driven from deprived areas…is to help un-deprive those areas. Removing the cause of the criminality. Yes..people should do this themselves, but for whatever reason they need help to do so.
'un-deprive' the areas, come off it!currybum said:
That depends on how you define civilised, for me a measure of a civilised society is how it treats those who get a crappy start….for me at least making some people happier at the cost of oppressing or badly treating another group is not a great sign of a civilised society.
And that fits how, with our little friend and his knife? Obviously this liberal way of doing things isn't working too well?The punishment should fit the crime. Stab him in the shin 
I've had my windows bricked, coins thrown at my car and had it key'd before. All different cars, all different locations. Partly the reason I don't think I'll ever own another expensive car (spent <10% of my available funds on my last motor)
I've had my windows bricked, coins thrown at my car and had it key'd before. All different cars, all different locations. Partly the reason I don't think I'll ever own another expensive car (spent <10% of my available funds on my last motor)
kayzee said:
The punishment should fit the crime. Stab him in the shin
I've had my windows bricked, coins thrown at my car and had it key'd before. All different cars, all different locations. Partly the reason I don't think I'll ever own another expensive car (spent <10% of my available funds on my last motor)
1) My shinsplints suddenly ache at the thought. I've had my windows bricked, coins thrown at my car and had it key'd before. All different cars, all different locations. Partly the reason I don't think I'll ever own another expensive car (spent <10% of my available funds on my last motor)
2) That's pretty much my attitude with cars these days.
The sad thing is if you had gone out and given him a pasting you would have ended up in more st than this scumbag. If it was me that he did that too and I knew who he was, where he lived I wouldn't even bother informing the police,I'd knife his mummy's car then work through his families cars.
t than this scumbag. If it was me that he did that too and I knew who he was, where he lived I wouldn't even bother informing the police,I'd knife his mummy's car then work through his families cars. Vocal Minority said:
This place usually loves a bit of Winston Churchill (who doesn't?) he said '“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country'
We often hear of Saddam Hussein using poison gas on the Kurds and Iranians, but the first one to advocate the use of poison gas in Iraq was Winston Churchill, who said: "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes."Great fellow wasn't he ? Exploited India and regarded any non Westerner as sub-human. Really wonder what he would have done if it was his car !
Hoofy said:
kayzee said:
The punishment should fit the crime. Stab him in the shin
I've had my windows bricked, coins thrown at my car and had it key'd before. All different cars, all different locations. Partly the reason I don't think I'll ever own another expensive car (spent <10% of my available funds on my last motor)
1) My shinsplints suddenly ache at the thought. I've had my windows bricked, coins thrown at my car and had it key'd before. All different cars, all different locations. Partly the reason I don't think I'll ever own another expensive car (spent <10% of my available funds on my last motor)
2) That's pretty much my attitude with cars these days.
Scum like this and the underclass they belong to are a cancer on our society.
I think the stocks used to be a good solution, humiliation, its a pretty embarrassing thing to do slashing tyres, its dickish behaviour, they need laughing at so the other knobs think that they may want to avoid that in the future.
Its like all these idiots that come out with a racist tirade and do some other stupid st that gets recorded and stuck on Youtube, they need the whole world laughing at them.
I had some dicks in an old Clio shouting at me, head out of the window trying to make me fall off my pushbike, luckily I had clocked they were up to something as I have a small rear view mirror on the bar end, the passenger was disappointed at my total lack of reaction (normally, without the mirror I would have shat myself) so he called me a few names, they stopped at the junction, I said "Call me what you want, I am not the one shouting at passers by out of a car window, thats a bit strange really isnt it" and off they fooked having realised there was a pub and a few other people around, so embarrassing them is the key.
How many on here havent done something in the past that they would not share on here as it fits into dickish behaviour, nobody killed you, I can live with the odd tyre being slashed but not it ending up like Brazil.
Its like all these idiots that come out with a racist tirade and do some other stupid s
t that gets recorded and stuck on Youtube, they need the whole world laughing at them.I had some dicks in an old Clio shouting at me, head out of the window trying to make me fall off my pushbike, luckily I had clocked they were up to something as I have a small rear view mirror on the bar end, the passenger was disappointed at my total lack of reaction (normally, without the mirror I would have shat myself) so he called me a few names, they stopped at the junction, I said "Call me what you want, I am not the one shouting at passers by out of a car window, thats a bit strange really isnt it" and off they fooked having realised there was a pub and a few other people around, so embarrassing them is the key.
How many on here havent done something in the past that they would not share on here as it fits into dickish behaviour, nobody killed you, I can live with the odd tyre being slashed but not it ending up like Brazil.
currybum said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
This country excelled at torture and the death penalty, then it got all pussy whipped and liberal. Then scrotes walk around like they own the place with ZERO fear of punishment. Bring back the medieval torture racks I say.
Animals deal with their runts quite effectively, by either killing them or abandoning them to be picked off by other animals. Shame worthless humans aren't subjected to the same fate.
Donald Trump ...is that you?Animals deal with their runts quite effectively, by either killing them or abandoning them to be picked off by other animals. Shame worthless humans aren't subjected to the same fate.
When you start suggesting bringing back medieval torture as punishment for petty vandalism I suggest we will probably never find much common ground.
I would hardly call slashing 6 tyres 'petty' vandalism. If they did that to your car and you couldn't get to work as a result, would you pat them on the back and hand them a knife to do the other side?
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