Jeep vs Land Rover. Which do you favour?...
Discussion
white_goodman said:
Yes, the website isn't great but the choice is 1.6 petrol, 1.4 Multiair (petrol turbo) with 140 or 170bhp, 1.6 Multijet (diesel) and 2.0 Multijet (diesel).
Cherokee gets the 2.0 Multijet diesel or 3.2 V6 petrol with 270bhp in the Trailhawk.
Wrangler gets a 3.6 V6 petrol but no longer a manual box or a diesel option by the looks of it and Grand Cherokee gets a 3.0 V6 diesel or a couple of V8 petrols.
Just realised the Renegade is the Fiat 500x's better looking cousin. Those engines are pretty clever and capable of more output if required. Quite like the idea of a Renegade if you need something that works on the road, but can handle some tracks and snow, and isn't too big. Cherokee gets the 2.0 Multijet diesel or 3.2 V6 petrol with 270bhp in the Trailhawk.
Wrangler gets a 3.6 V6 petrol but no longer a manual box or a diesel option by the looks of it and Grand Cherokee gets a 3.0 V6 diesel or a couple of V8 petrols.
powerstroke said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Well if it is solely between Jeep and Land Rover - Jeep. The original as opposed to the rip-off.
Yes and they are still making a modifiable proper off roader , hopefully they will do a van type vat reclaimable wranger,
Dodge and Jeep seem to be making a good effort to produce some intereting vehicles ,Ram trucks , jeeps and the dodge cars like charger and challenger ,
RIP defender you lame copy of a real war hero...
There is meant to be a new Wrangler coming out next year, and its meant to be a big step forward in engine and body. If it'll be as customisable and flexible as the current model I don't know. I think the new Defender is out about the same time? Both should hopefully be a major step forward from the older models.
The pentastar v6 in the Wrangler is a lovely engine for an offroader (if you aren't paying for the fuel), if you fit a super charger it's even better.
I've been looking at both the Defender and the Wrangler as a winter project, I fancy fitting a lifting kit, bigger wheels and some armour to make a proper offroad toy. Wranglers are cheaper but I don't doubt that the Defender will hold its value better. Its not helped that in the UK the second hand Wranglers tend to diesels and the five doors tend not to be the better (for offroading) rubicon spec.
The pentastar v6 in the Wrangler is a lovely engine for an offroader (if you aren't paying for the fuel), if you fit a super charger it's even better.
I've been looking at both the Defender and the Wrangler as a winter project, I fancy fitting a lifting kit, bigger wheels and some armour to make a proper offroad toy. Wranglers are cheaper but I don't doubt that the Defender will hold its value better. Its not helped that in the UK the second hand Wranglers tend to diesels and the five doors tend not to be the better (for offroading) rubicon spec.
I prefer Land Rover, having owned a Discovery 200tdi and 2x Discovery 300tdi.
I like original Willys Jeep WW2 era, and am less keen on their current range of models.
No real reason for me to prefer one over the other, and certainly there is no consideration made of which is more reliable/better built or any of that, it is purely a case of personal preference for LR than Jeep.
I like original Willys Jeep WW2 era, and am less keen on their current range of models.
No real reason for me to prefer one over the other, and certainly there is no consideration made of which is more reliable/better built or any of that, it is purely a case of personal preference for LR than Jeep.
I like the (relatively) understated appeal of the Discovery Sport. Everything else is a bit bling for me, albeit they are great products. I parked next to a 65 plate Discovery 4 earlier today (which I haven't counted above as its days are numbered). For me, this is the best car in the range. If I was in the market this would be my default choice - I simply wouldn't consider anything else. My current Land Rover is an 04 plate Discovery 2 TD5 ES Premium Auto in Epsom Green with black leather. She came in as a part exchange with one owner from new and 50,000 miles with FSH. We gave £4,500 for her as a trade. She was the best Disco 2 I had seen in a long time. No rust, interior pretty much as new and only a few minor cosmetics to sort. I've 10 year proofed the chassis and cavities and will be keeping it - a proper old school wafter which cost me a 1/10 of a decent used one. Reckon there is about £4,000 screen price profit if I ever move it on....
And in answer to the question...... I like the bargain barge Jeeps - a lot of metal for the money. I wouldn't touch the current line up with a barge pole. Hideous stuff.
And in answer to the question...... I like the bargain barge Jeeps - a lot of metal for the money. I wouldn't touch the current line up with a barge pole. Hideous stuff.
The Vambo said:
Troubleatmill said:
As they say in Australia.....
You can drive Jeep's, Land Rover's etc into the bush..
But... if you want you survive... get a Toyota.
I thought they said "You can drive Jeep's, Land Rover's etc into the bush..You can drive Jeep's, Land Rover's etc into the bush..
But... if you want you survive... get a Toyota.
But... You can drive a Landcruiser back out.
Some strange responses here.
Having recently bought a l322 tdv8 I can say I don't imagine myself ever replacing it (until it inevitably dies anyway). I got back from a week in the alps this weekend and we had some pretty bad snow. The RR on winters got me through it no problem. Would something else have been more efficient in the snow? Probably. Did I manage to do the entire journey through France in a single day in absolute comfort? Yup. There aren't many cars I'd like to spend that long in.
I won't be going to the bush any time soon, so I'll stick with what I have.
Having recently bought a l322 tdv8 I can say I don't imagine myself ever replacing it (until it inevitably dies anyway). I got back from a week in the alps this weekend and we had some pretty bad snow. The RR on winters got me through it no problem. Would something else have been more efficient in the snow? Probably. Did I manage to do the entire journey through France in a single day in absolute comfort? Yup. There aren't many cars I'd like to spend that long in.
I won't be going to the bush any time soon, so I'll stick with what I have.
B.J.W said:
... I wouldn't touch the current line up with a barge pole. Hideous stuff.
Well... everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think that is a bit harsh. 
We currently have a 4 year old Grand Cherokee (WK2 model) and it's a great car - smooth, comfortable, fast (enough) and very well specified as standard. It was bought to replace our 13 year old LandCruiser which is just coming up for 200k miles (and still going pretty strong.)
No doubt, the Landcruiser is a great car - it's more agricultural than the Jeep but is just as nice to drive - with it being body-on-frame it's a better tow vehicle.
Anyhow ...back to the OP question - Jeep or Land Rover? Having owned numerous Land Rovers and Jeeps also, it has to be Jeep for me.
In my opinion they are better designed and built.
(PS - I agree with the opinion that the current RR is a bit too ostentatious - we did consider one, but couldn't live with the image.)
Billy_Whizzzz said:
For me, all Jeeps (except for the original Willy's) are horrible things and I'm amazed they can me mentioned in the same breath as a Land Rover or Range Rover...
Just out of interest, have you actually driven a Jeep recently? My BIL in Canada had one of the latest gen 2011 (WK2?) Grand Cherokees for the last two years and it was a lovely thing to drive and a nice place to sit. It was also 100% reliable and regularly had to deal with 50 degrees below in possibly the coldest winters on the planet! Jeeps are everywhere over there but you rarely see a Land Rover outside of the city.The Cherokee V6 Trailhawk (although pretty niche) was a great drive too with a lovely 3.2 V6 (270bhp) and 9-speed auto transmission that worked really well together and a really trick 4WD system with locking diffs and different settings for snow, sand, mud and rocks. Possibly a bit OTT for Surrey but all the same a lovely vehicle.
Shakermaker said:
Isn't it funny how whenever you pose a choice on a forum and only offer 2 options, within a few posts, people are talking about something else altogether?
I blame myself for mentioning it in the OP in the naive hope that acknowledging that Toyota have also made some decent 4WD vehicles would placate the Toyota fanboys and we wouldn't need to mention them. I'm sure that I might be happier to put my faith in a Toyota in the remote Australian outback but that's hardly relevant here. I'm pretty sure that Land Rovers have made it back from some pretty tough expeditions too, not to mention the ones used by the British army! Aren't they also quite popular in Africa? I have yet to drive a proper Landcruiser but the Toyota SUVs that I have driven just feel like larger, jacked-up versions of my wife's 2 year old Toyota car. Her car is 2 years old and has been owned from new and has been reliable but it has developed a few rattles and the engine and transmission feel a bit second rate compared to my Honda, so based on that car and other recent Toyotas that I have driven, I find Toyotas a bit dull and overrated in general.jhonn said:
B.J.W said:
... I wouldn't touch the current line up with a barge pole. Hideous stuff.
Well... everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think that is a bit harsh. We currently have a 4 year old Grand Cherokee (WK2 model) and it's a great car - smooth, comfortable, fast (enough) and very well specified as standard. It was bought to replace our 13 year old LandCruiser which is just coming up for 200k miles (and still going pretty strong.)
No doubt, the Landcruiser is a great car - it's more agricultural than the Jeep but is just as nice to drive - with it being body-on-frame it's a better tow vehicle.
Anyhow ...back to the OP question - Jeep or Land Rover? Having owned numerous Land Rovers and Jeeps also, it has to be Jeep for me.
In my opinion they are better designed and built.
(PS - I agree with the opinion that the current RR is a bit too ostentatious - we did consider one, but couldn't live with the image.)
What is all the Toyota love based on?
I own a Defender AND a Land Cruiser.
The only one I would take seriously off road is the Defender.
The Land Cruiser has let me down too often.
Wranglers - nice and a good turning circle, but from the box the Defender is much more capable. Most of the Wranglers seen doing off road stuff are highly modified.
I own a Defender AND a Land Cruiser.
The only one I would take seriously off road is the Defender.
The Land Cruiser has let me down too often.
Wranglers - nice and a good turning circle, but from the box the Defender is much more capable. Most of the Wranglers seen doing off road stuff are highly modified.
powerstroke said:
Ostentaitous??? haven't you seen the average RRsport owner ??? most seem to be orange and in a tracksuit...
You're right about the type of owner of the old RR sport. 
As TATA seek to expand the Range Rover ...uh...range, then you have a much wider spectrum of owners and drivers.
The 'type' that buys a FFRR L405 is more likely from a different demographic than buys an Evoque - both cars have RR badges but are very different vehicles. I'd say that the L405 is in a different league than the lesser Range Rovers.
I can see why TATA are doing it, but in my opinion it 'cheapens' the brand.
Ayahuasca said:
What is all the Toyota love based on?
I own a Defender AND a Land Cruiser.
The only one I would take seriously off road is the Defender.
The Land Cruiser has let me down too often.
Indeed. I have no doubt the LCs have fewer niggles but I've been let down by one enough to know they're not invincible. (And towed enough out to know they're not as good off-road...)I own a Defender AND a Land Cruiser.
The only one I would take seriously off road is the Defender.
The Land Cruiser has let me down too often.
Jeep vs LR is more about taste and I like some from each company. I'd happily have a V8 GC (if only they had 7seats) or a D4 (too much money at the moment, and no V8), would love a Wrangler (want a V6 5 door, but not a great DD and need 7 seats really.) Just want a FFRR (too much money, would put up with the lack of seats...)
Basically if I wasn't too poor, and/or could persuade swmbo into an MPV I'd happily have many options from either company.
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