Jeep vs Land Rover. Which do you favour?...

[lostkiwi]

Toltec said:

Just had a quick look at the classifieds and checked a few Renegades, apart from some being FWD the 2 litre MJet somehow only has 140bhp even with a turbo. I'd expect an N/A 2 litre to put out more than that in the '90s and even tuned for torque more like 200bhp as a turbo.

Just seems odd.

Defenders only ever had 122hp or so from 2.5 TDi. Torque by the bucket loads mind.....

[unsprung]

lostkiwi said:

Land Rover...

Ah yes. The old 'nip down to the high street for a pint of milk in the hard man's ambulance' method of transport.

"Won't be a minute, Darling!"

[jdw1234]

Can you use the latest wrangler 4 door on the motorway? I really like the look of them.

I have always adored the proper Range Rover, but I can't get over the unreliability my friends have suffered.

My Merc ML has been faultless and I just can't be bothered with unreliability for the main family car.

I am trying to convince myself that a Jeep Wrangler Overland Unlimited could be a decent family car.

[lostkiwi]

unsprung said:

lostkiwi said:

Land Rover...

Ah yes. The old 'nip down to the high street for a pint of milk in the hard man's ambulance' method of transport.

"Won't be a minute, Darling!"

It was a treat in Tesco car parks. No one ever banged doors against it....(and they never parked near it either).

Only drawback was the 9mpg.....

Edited by lostkiwi on Wednesday 10th February 23:37

[irocfan]

[Konan]

I'd probably have more time for Land Rover's as tools if their value wasn't so over inflated. There's some need to glorify them as if they somehow transcend the confines of mere machines.

For that reason, I own a Jeep. It's used as a roving dustbin. Purchased for £500. Spent about £60 on servicing over 3 or 4 years and it does it's thing. It tows, it gets thrown about off road, I drive it to work if I feel like 45 minutes of disagreeing with the steering box over which direction I want to go. It's a bit crap, but it's robust enough.

For the same money, I'd be lucky to find a Defender/Discovery for spares and repairs.

I really want a Land Cruiser

[AndrewCrown]

I have a foot in both camps...
I guess that makes me 4 'bi' 4

Like the OP I developed an appreciation of the Cherokee XJ 4.0 early on... It is still one of the best vehicles I have ever owned, utterly reliable, it does not break, its gets thrown around a lot... it is 21 years old... and if there is any snow, this is the car I take out.


We also have a FFRR L322 and I can't think of a better all rounder... on replacing our last one.. we did think for a minute or two about a Grand Cherokee or a Commander, but nothing matches the FFRR.. despite all their electronic let downs, when its on form, nothing comes close.. It does get used off road and on the beach.. and it is terrific in the ice and up the mountains on ski trips.

Backing up the rear is our elderly Land Rover Series 2A... fine for trips down the pub and tootling around in the summer... but I just don't trust it to be as good as the Jeep in the snow... and its heater is kind of ornamental..

I can't quite justify a 4th 4x4, but I would never be without a Jeep Cherokee XJ... or FFRR ...

If I was to buy another... I would seriously consider a Wrangler Rubicon 4 door with the 3.6 petrol... failing that a G500 G-Wagen SWB.. (Un pimped)

[white_goodman]

interloper said:

Recent Jeep products just look really odd, the Renegade looks squishy, which is just utterly wrong and the Cherokee has a pointy nose and again looks totally peculiar. I couldn't live with those looks.

As far as current LR products go, I wouldn't say no to a Disco 4, its the most proper 4x4 they build since ditching the Defender.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing but not sure what you mean by squishy.

Is there any other mini crossover that actually looks like an SUV though and has any off-road capability?



For instance, what is the point of the Mazda CX3? It's not unattractive but just looks like a jacked-up Mazda 2 (which is essentially what it is) and would be useless off-road. Nissan Juke too. I don't actually mind it but the general PH consesnus isn't good.



Yes, I guess the Cherokee does look a bit weird but has grown on me because at least it's distinctive and still looks like a Jeep. I couldn't really describe to you what a new RAV4/Santa Fe/Sorento/Nissan Cumquat looks like but the Cherokee is lodged in there! With the off-road inspired Trailhawk package, I think it works pretty well.



and there's nowt wrong with either of these





As I said in the OP, I would happily have an Evoque diesel auto as a daily and a new Range Rover Sport with 7 seats would be the ultimate family vehicle but they both come at a price. I haven't driven many of the other Land Rovers but have been driven in most of them and they are nice enough but don't for me necessarily justify their premium price.

Edited by white_goodman on Thursday 11th February 05:06

Edited by white_goodman on Thursday 11th February 05:08

[white_goodman]

Toltec said:

DOH! Must be going blind, checked for that too, I'll blame on the wtf the FWD ones caused.

They look OK anyway, the Jeep site seems to totally avoid any information about the engines, do they put
anything interesting in them?

Yes, the website isn't great but the choice is 1.6 petrol, 1.4 Multiair (petrol turbo) with 140 or 170bhp, 1.6 Multijet (diesel) and 2.0 Multijet (diesel).

Cherokee gets the 2.0 Multijet diesel or 3.2 V6 petrol with 270bhp in the Trailhawk.

Wrangler gets a 3.6 V6 petrol but no longer a manual box or a diesel option by the looks of it and Grand Cherokee gets a 3.0 V6 diesel or a couple of V8 petrols.

[Pennyroyal Tea]

I don't mean to shatter anyone's fantasy, but the current Wrangler is a terrible thing to drive on road. No doubting its credentials off road however, and the entry fee is certainly attractive. I wouldn't want to live with one every day though.

Having said that, there's currently no direct Land Rover alternative.

[Billy_Whizzzz]

For me, all Jeeps (except for the original Willy's) are horrible things and I'm amazed they can me mentioned in the same breath as a Land Rover or Range Rover...

[KurtKlaus]

I really really want a 4 door Rubicon or a 90s Cherokee. Best looking 4x4s in my opinion.

[powerstroke]

AnotherClarkey said:

Well if it is solely between Jeep and Land Rover - Jeep. The original as opposed to the rip-off.

Yes and they are still making a modifiable proper off roader , hopefully they will do a van type vat reclaimable wranger,
Dodge and Jeep seem to be making a good effort to produce some intereting vehicles ,Ram trucks , jeeps and the dodge cars like charger and challenger ,
RIP defender you lame copy of a real war hero...

[Bibbs]

The Vambo said:

Troubleatmill said:

As they say in Australia.....


You can drive Jeep's, Land Rover's etc into the bush..
But... if you want you survive... get a Toyota.

I thought they said "You can drive Jeep's, Land Rover's etc into the bush..
But... You can drive a Landcruiser back out.

Go out in a Land Rover, come home in a Land Criuser.

Over 80% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road, the rest made it home.

You bought a Jeep?!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/companies/hil...

Get a Toyota.

Edited by Bibbs on Thursday 11th February 06:43

[Pennyroyal Tea]

Well in arguably the harshest environment in the world for a car (the middle east), Toyota is king. Their cars are everywhere here.

[K974]

neither both are complete and utter scrap.

Toyota, if you want to see the outback take a landrover if you want to come home take a landcruiser.

I've a landcruiser 200 series, and a 79 series pickup ute. Only last month I did 1300km off road on bone shaking corrugated roads in 45degree heat in the ute, pulling 3 tonne with 900kg on the tray. at the remotest point the nearest human was 500km away.

4.5 v8 d4d. not as good as the older 4.2td and the 4.2 patrols were equally as good as the Toyota then.

I've been on projects where ive seen landrovers, rangers and mitsi actually fall apart. don't get me started on that absolute bucket of scrap the amorak I wouldn't take a present of one.

you might call the landcruiser over kill, but if its good for 500,000km with that abuse, its good for over 1m in normal use.

Edited by K974 on Thursday 11th February 07:15

[powerstroke]

Pennyroyal Tea said:

Well in arguably the harshest environment in the world for a car (the middle east), Toyota is king. Their cars are everywhere here.

Yes but here in the uk the priority is what will the people next door think and will it cut it on the school run!!!
you are unlikely to die if your stranded on the way to waitrose ..so LR is perfect for school run mums , and any other person who wants but doesn't need a 4x4...

[K974]

powerstroke said:

Pennyroyal Tea said:

Well in arguably the harshest environment in the world for a car (the middle east), Toyota is king. Their cars are everywhere here.

Yes but here in the uk the priority is what will the people next door think and will it cut it on the school run!!!
you are unlikely to die if your stranded on the way to waitrose ..so LR is perfect for school run mums , and any other person who wants but doesn't need a 4x4...

fair point but you still have the maintenance bills! and the repairs. complete and total scrap. Landcruiser 200 or 150 if your in the market for one is the far better but. no contest

[powerstroke]

K974 said:

powerstroke said:

Pennyroyal Tea said:

Well in arguably the harshest environment in the world for a car (the middle east), Toyota is king. Their cars are everywhere here.

Yes but here in the uk the priority is what will the people next door think and will it cut it on the school run!!!
you are unlikely to die if your stranded on the way to waitrose ..so LR is perfect for school run mums , and any other person who wants but doesn't need a 4x4...

fair point but you still have the maintenance bills! and the repairs. complete and total scrap. Landcruiser 200 or 150 if your in the market for one is the far better but. no contest

Yes agreed, had and run toyotas for many years for work and for fun have current hilux but had 40 ,60,70 and 80 series
cruisers and lots of hiluxs and a AE86 corrola , over the years , I've never seen a landrover that wasn't a overrated pile of dung but people like them and thats fine with me....

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

Faced by all on the school run, obviously.

Back OT; Land Cruiser. I work on and off in Russia and the only people who have Land Rovers live in central Moscow, in their words 'Land Rovers aren't built for Russian roads'. I've seen the same in Togo and other far flung places. Family in Perth run a building company, they wouldn't touch them, Toyota dominate that market as well.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 11th February 08:17