Speeding through average speed camera zones - What gives?

[simoid]

sicasey said:

So basically; all of the drivers you see driving at, for example 70 in the average 50 zone, are getting fines/points?

If the cameras are on, cars are legal, etc, then yes.

[sicasey]

jogger1976 said:

I'm seeing this more and more, particularly on the M1 near the Woodside Link works.

Funnily enough on that stretch it's not the usual Audi/BMW repmobiles that are the culprits, but loads of filthy work vans full of angry builders or "Considerably richer than you" types in new Range Rovers

^This

[Speed_Demon]

I think this was discussed previously, and the conclusion was given that it has to take in many variables with regards to lane changes and how distance you travel can vary depending where you are the road , it acutely gives you much more that the 10% + 2 rule.

... or something along those lines!

[sicasey]

Are there any traffic police on PH that can solve the mystery?

[danllama]

The average cameras on the A13 don't seem to work (Rainham to Tower Bridge).

[aero93]

Does anyone know anyone that has actually been caught by these?

[EazyDuz]

Speed_Demon said:

I think this was discussed previously, and the conclusion was given that it has to take in many variables with regards to lane changes and how distance you travel can vary depending where you are the road , it acutely gives you much more that the 10% + 2 rule.

... or something along those lines!

Why would it matter if you change lanes? An average of 65 is an average of 65 whether you moved lanes every 3 seconds or not. Probably more likely that 90% of av speed cameras aren't actually on

[sicasey]

EazyDuz said:

Why would it matter if you change lanes? An average of 65 is an average of 65 whether you moved lanes every 3 seconds or not. Probably more likely that 90% of av speed cameras aren't actually on

They have the potential to generate huge revenues and are now digital (negating a lot of the manual admin etc), why would 90% of cameras not be enabled?

[lostkiwi]

EazyDuz said:

Speed_Demon said:

I think this was discussed previously, and the conclusion was given that it has to take in many variables with regards to lane changes and how distance you travel can vary depending where you are the road , it acutely gives you much more that the 10% + 2 rule.

... or something along those lines!

Why would it matter if you change lanes? An average of 65 is an average of 65 whether you moved lanes every 3 seconds or not. Probably more likely that 90% of av speed cameras aren't actually on

It matters because the cameras are working in pairs (how they obtained type approval).
So if you get picked up by a camera in lane 3 its partner has to catch you. So if its in lane 3 and you moved to lane 2 its a miss.
Or if you stay in lane 3 and its partner is in lane 2 (to catch those being sneaky) its a miss.
The pairs don't need to be in the same lane or even sequential - it could be the first and last camera. Hence the comment I made earlier about camera roulette.

[natben]

I don't know anyone who has been "done" on average speed cameras and we have them all over the place in Scotland at the moment in roadworks and like the OP I see people speeding everyday at 10-15 above the advised limit. I am not sure the cameras in roadworks are turned on.

[doodz444]

lostkiwi said:

EazyDuz said:

Speed_Demon said:

I think this was discussed previously, and the conclusion was given that it has to take in many variables with regards to lane changes and how distance you travel can vary depending where you are the road , it acutely gives you much more that the 10% + 2 rule.

... or something along those lines!

Why would it matter if you change lanes? An average of 65 is an average of 65 whether you moved lanes every 3 seconds or not. Probably more likely that 90% of av speed cameras aren't actually on

It matters because the cameras are working in pairs (how they obtained type approval).
So if you get picked up by a camera in lane 3 its partner has to catch you. So if its in lane 3 and you moved to lane 2 its a miss.
Or if you stay in lane 3 and its partner is in lane 2 (to catch those being sneaky) its a miss.
The pairs don't need to be in the same lane or even sequential - it could be the first and last camera. Hence the comment I made earlier about camera roulette.

This ^^^

I have always been told that a single lane is connected together. To miss them choose a new lane for each camera.

E.g. From Lane 3 to Lane 1, then Lane 3, then 2. (Just keep it random)

at your own risk. I don't bother, rather wait it out.

Edited by doodz444 on Thursday 11th February 00:09

[simoid]

doodz444 said:

This ^^^

I have always been told that a single lane is connected together. To miss them choose a new lane for each camera.

E.g. From Lane 3 to Lane 1, then Lane 3, then 2. (Just keep it random)

at your own risk. I don't bother, rather wait it out.

Edited by doodz444 on Thursday 11th February 00:09

Use of Google would provide much evidence that this isn't true, as entry and exit cameras may be in different lanes anyway.

[LukeDM]

aero93 said:

Does anyone know anyone that has actually been caught by these?

Yes a friend was caught twice on the A30 near Bodmin, once one way and then the other. It is single lane at the moment though f that makes a difference.

[pc.iow]

LukeDM said:

aero93 said:

Does anyone know anyone that has actually been caught by these?

Yes a friend was caught twice on the A30 near Bodmin, once one way and then the other. It is single lane at the moment though f that makes a difference.

Not suggesting you're telling porkies but it's always 'a friend'.
I wonder if they are too scared to fine everyone as it could cause anarchy , or they don't work much but don't want us to know.
So let's keep this quiet or they'll turn them on,😈

[Slow]

Foreign licences so they cant get points/fined sort of thing maybe?

[Ray Luxury-Yacht]

doodz444 said:

lostkiwi said:

EazyDuz said:

Speed_Demon said:

I think this was discussed previously, and the conclusion was given that it has to take in many variables with regards to lane changes and how distance you travel can vary depending where you are the road , it acutely gives you much more that the 10% + 2 rule.

... or something along those lines!

Why would it matter if you change lanes? An average of 65 is an average of 65 whether you moved lanes every 3 seconds or not. Probably more likely that 90% of av speed cameras aren't actually on

It matters because the cameras are working in pairs (how they obtained type approval).
So if you get picked up by a camera in lane 3 its partner has to catch you. So if its in lane 3 and you moved to lane 2 its a miss.
Or if you stay in lane 3 and its partner is in lane 2 (to catch those being sneaky) its a miss.
The pairs don't need to be in the same lane or even sequential - it could be the first and last camera. Hence the comment I made earlier about camera roulette.

This ^^^

I have always been told that a single lane is connected together. To miss them choose a new lane for each camera.

E.g. From Lane 3 to Lane 1, then Lane 3, then 2. (Just keep it random)

at your own risk. I don't bother, rather wait it out.

Edited by doodz444 on Thursday 11th February 00:09

This used to be the case, but hasn't been for a couple of years now.

Cameras used to be lane specific; not anymore, they are all connected together now. So changing lanes does not make a jot of difference these days.

Do a search on PH, it is well documented.

[GhostDriver]

genuine question, what happens if you a are in between lanes as you go past them? exactly on the white lines?

[Synchromesh]

Quhet said:

53 on cruise for me. Makes it 51mph via the sat nav. Most people are slower but you get the occasional lunatic. Makes me laugh and the fact they will (theoretically) be fined make me feel good

Those 52mph lunatics eh? Killing children on empty motorways...

Anyway, since when did PH turn so anti-speeding? You feel good about people getting fines for driving quicker than you, seriously?

[Mr Tidy]

Synchromesh said:

Those 52mph lunatics eh? Killing children on empty motorways...

Anyway, since when did PH turn so anti-speeding? You feel good about people getting fines for driving quicker than you, seriously?

Very nicely put!

I haven't run over any children on empty motorways for years (much as there is one person under the age of majority ("kid" in the PC world, or sulky little tw*t in the real world) that I would love to flatten!

I think I need to do 53+ more often!

[to3m]

ToothbrushMan said:

i see this most times and couldnt give a fig. i just laugh on the inside that at some point these dippers will receive a fine and maybe some points.

i seem to spot a lot of young asian females in quite new motors giving itf the beans through these sections......not a care in the world.

just think to yourself....sod em.

its the black audi a4 estates that piss me off-their drivers "and powerfully built friend" riding shotgun doing 52mph almost pretending to be the traffic cops. could just be my lively imagination playing tricks though.

Might as well go 52mph judging by cruise control. Either your car is reporting a speed that's faster than reality (and you're OK), or it's reporting the right speed (and you're OK). Any other option means your vehicle should have failed its last MOT

Assuming my car's speed is accurate when travelling at about this sort of speed, which judging by my satnav it is (draw your own conclusions - I have no opinion), most people seem to generally drive at about 45mph. So I go at ~52mph (or ~53mph... thereabouts). I'm then going confidently faster than most people are, so I can overtake them without it taking longer than necessary. Anybody who then in turn wants to overtake me need tailgate me with their lights flashing and horn blaring for a shorter period than might otherwise be the case.