Salesman goes into the back for ages to talk to his manager
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andymc said:
unrepentant said:
Butter Face said:
crowfield said:
I used to know someone who ran a fleet of Ford "A" series trucks. He would go to Ford, walk straight past the sales offices and into the accountants office. He'd point out the window to a line of trucks and announce that he would pay £XXXXXXXXX for the whole row of them. The accountants would check their figures and usually OK the deal. No messing about and running to and fro with salesman/ sales managers. Quick and easy deal.
Wow, what a great story.I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
SpeedyDave said:
What do you think about Tesla's direct sales model and their fight with the franchise networks, auto dealers association etc?
It's illegal in a lot of states and quite rightly. The consumer gets protection from the franchise system. In a city like Chicago there are 6 JLR dealers, 10 MB, 10 BMW etc.. and they all compete with each other. Punters know that they can get prices from multiple dealers and they have a choice about where to do their business. The Tesla model gives them no choice, they buy from Mr Musk at the price he sets and if they don't like it they don't get a Tesla.Having said that Tesla is losing about $18k per car right now so their business, let alone the business model, may not be sustainable.
romeogolf said:
I work in sales, albeit not automotive. I have full responsibility to make the deal and negotiate. I know how low I can go, and there's nothing further my manager would authorise.
I still do the "let me talk to my manager" talk because often, without it, people will still insist I make the call. By going x% of the way myself and then letting them think they're squeezing a little more out of the deal by having me "make the call" I can get a sale which may well have otherwise been lost as they didn't feel I was doing everything I could.
I'd say I use the "ask my boss" routine on a third of deals and it's often the closer as they think they know they can't get any more off.
Charlatan. I still do the "let me talk to my manager" talk because often, without it, people will still insist I make the call. By going x% of the way myself and then letting them think they're squeezing a little more out of the deal by having me "make the call" I can get a sale which may well have otherwise been lost as they didn't feel I was doing everything I could.
I'd say I use the "ask my boss" routine on a third of deals and it's often the closer as they think they know they can't get any more off.
Mr E said:
unrepentant said:
The Tesla model gives them no choice, they buy from Mr Musk at the price he sets and if they don't like it they don't get a Tesla.
How much variation in price is there across the state on, say, an iPhone?unrepentant said:
It's illegal in a lot of states and quite rightly. The consumer gets protection from the franchise system. In a city like Chicago there are 6 JLR dealers, 10 MB, 10 BMW etc.. and they all compete with each other. Punters know that they can get prices from multiple dealers and they have a choice about where to do their business. The Tesla model gives them no choice, they buy from Mr Musk at the price he sets and if they don't like it they don't get a Tesla.
Having said that Tesla is losing about $18k per car right now so their business, let alone the business model, may not be sustainable.
I'm not quite sure what the problem is with that Having said that Tesla is losing about $18k per car right now so their business, let alone the business model, may not be sustainable.
They are priced by the maker at what they are worth, or in this case, less than they are worth, if they can't afford it they need to buy something else.
Butter Face said:
HarryW said:
No wonder the likes of Car Wow do well, cuts out the crap on prices.
The dealer still gets the sale. Where do you think CarWow get their prices from?!
They were a few hundred dearer than DtD's price though, but DtD wouldn't tell me which dealer they were going to refer me to and wanted me to accept factory lead-time.
Car-Wow dealer got me a car in 2 weeks and when I visited a very nice sales guy still threw in all sorts of stuff that I'd expected they'd wail about. Made me feel a guilty about withdrawing from the PCP.
Moominator said:
Why do some dealerships do this? Is it to make you sweat, worry or think they are really weighing up things for you and its agonising them?
Or does it make you think 'sod this I'm not wasting my time here for 20mins that it took for him to see his manager on the last question'.
Its the good guy / bad guy tactic - the salesman wants you to think hes on your side, and hes had to work really hard for a great deal for you.Or does it make you think 'sod this I'm not wasting my time here for 20mins that it took for him to see his manager on the last question'.
We had it when we bought the 370Z. Wouldnt have particularly cared only they did it BEFORE we even got a test drive in the car. I went in and suggested maybe there was a better chance of us wanting to buy the car if we got to drive it first, therefore debating the price of our trade in (which we didnt need to trade in to do the deal as i pointed out to him) probably wasnt in their best interest.
We did buy the car eventually, but it was in spite of the salesman, not with the aid of.
Sheepshanks said:
unrepentant said:
We also have very happy sales people who make a lot of money....
In the UK that would be completely unacceptable - clearly you're ripping people off.How very dare they!
Buster73 said:
Butter Face said:
Wow, what a great story.
I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
I know one who did that in the 80's on a BMW 323i , it wasn't a bin bag though just a carrier bag.I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
Buster73 said:
Butter Face said:
Wow, what a great story.
I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
I know one who did that in the 80's on a BMW 323i , it wasn't a bin bag though just a carrier bag.I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
Everyone has a mate who has a mate that did it
"...and then he drove past waving his willy out the window of his new Merc / BMW / Jaaag at the car salesman who'd previously fobbed him off"
daemon said:
Buster73 said:
Butter Face said:
Wow, what a great story.
I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
I know one who did that in the 80's on a BMW 323i , it wasn't a bin bag though just a carrier bag.I wonder if anyone knows any rich people who go in wearing a bin bag with a bag of cash and buys cars after being fobbed off?
Everyone has a mate who has a mate that did it
"...and then he drove past waving his willy out the window of his new Merc / BMW / Jaaag at the car salesman who'd previously fobbed him off"
daemon said:
Yeah of course you do.
Everyone has a mate who has a mate that did it
"...and then he drove past waving his willy out the window of his new Merc / BMW / Jaaag at the car salesman who'd previously fobbed him off"
Completely true story , the lad worked on the oil rigs ( land based not offshore ) he was one of three local lads who worked for the same company , was refused a test drive at Priory BMW in North Tyneside , went back and paid £9 k in cash.Everyone has a mate who has a mate that did it
"...and then he drove past waving his willy out the window of his new Merc / BMW / Jaaag at the car salesman who'd previously fobbed him off"
The name of the dealer shows you how long ago it was.
The same three lads all bought the same trials bikes , Kawasaki Z650's and all ended up with TVR's
Otherwise I've got a very vivid imagination....
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