Salesman goes into the back for ages to talk to his manager
Discussion
Stenn said:
I hate these places but unfortunately these techniques do sell cars. Not to the typical PHer, but we're really not the target market. For people who just want their next £200 per month family transport, car supermarket type places are fine and they will buy in to the utter tripe that the sales staff talk. Those of us who want to examine a selection of cars in detail, discuss tyre brands and take extended test drives to decide on our next toy.. not so.
The place that I went to (not car shop) who wouldn't let me drive the car until I'd committed to buy it had no problems shifting metal. Just not to me.
unrepentant said:
In the US a doc fee is normal. We charge $150, some places charge up to $700. Nobody bats an eye at it. In most states you can't remove it as the law says it must be charged to all or none.
There are usually fees associated with finance here but not on a cash purchase.Why would no-one bat an eye at a such a wide range - surely most people would be pretty miffed if they'd sought out a good deal on a car and then several hundred dollars was added to the price?
Sheepshanks said:
unrepentant said:
In the US a doc fee is normal. We charge $150, some places charge up to $700. Nobody bats an eye at it. In most states you can't remove it as the law says it must be charged to all or none.
There are usually fees associated with finance here but not on a cash purchase.Why would no-one bat an eye at a such a wide range - surely most people would be pretty miffed if they'd sought out a good deal on a car and then several hundred dollars was added to the price?
Going to a dealer should be at least as good, if not better than going to a private sale.
I have done equal numbers of both. Private has always seemed easier, more fluid, less argumentative and for me, most importantly; quicker.
I, as most people do nowadays will have seen the going prices on the internet. Know what we want and how much we expect to pay.
Most people however, don't know the part-exchange value of their car. Or understand that if a dealer doesn't want the car, they will low ball.
I don't haggle with the price I am willing to sell at. I sell at the value it is worth.
I am completely unaware why anyone should be able to get a discount off a price, that should be the accurate value of the car. It's a system that just promotes people being arses.
I get that this is unrealistic, but if dealers didn't allow haggling, and could speed up the whole process and let people take the car away there and then, the world would be a happier place
I have done equal numbers of both. Private has always seemed easier, more fluid, less argumentative and for me, most importantly; quicker.
I, as most people do nowadays will have seen the going prices on the internet. Know what we want and how much we expect to pay.
Most people however, don't know the part-exchange value of their car. Or understand that if a dealer doesn't want the car, they will low ball.
I don't haggle with the price I am willing to sell at. I sell at the value it is worth.
I am completely unaware why anyone should be able to get a discount off a price, that should be the accurate value of the car. It's a system that just promotes people being arses.
I get that this is unrealistic, but if dealers didn't allow haggling, and could speed up the whole process and let people take the car away there and then, the world would be a happier place
Efbe said:
I am completely unaware why anyone should be able to get a discount off a price, that should be the accurate value of the car. It's a system that just promotes people being arses.
Ask Daewoo how well that strategy worked out for them.I believe Dacia tried something similar but not sure if they are still playing the 'fixed price' game any more.
littlebasher said:
Carcraft was the same, you had to sit through a 'presentation' when you arrived before you could get at any of their cars, along with handing over your keys so they can appraise your PX. They also insisted on filling in a competition form for a chance to win a prize, most likely a finance pre-approval.
What if you have no PX?Just put a good word in...
Went to a Mazda dealer in Notts at the weekend and they were great. Apart from having to wait a bit longer for a test drive because there were only two of them there and one was already out, it was actually quite refreshing.
No pressure to buy, no hard sell, just talking through the car, its options, happy to run any combination of quotes to see what the payments look like and invited to think about it at home before coming back for a proper test drive on our own without a salesman in the back seat.
I have to say, this was a lady who dealt with us and I have just noticed a pattern. The last car we bought we dealt with a lady and the previous two serious inquiries were also dealt with by ladies and they were excellent (especially the one who wanted to get out of the office and immediately suggested taking a Fiesta ST for a blast). Even handed, no pressure, no BS. If they don't know something they admit it, they don't try to make something up.
Volvo dealer on same day as the Mazda dealer, the two guys were straight in with running the numbers and coming back with quotes with all kinds of little extras added. Very eager to get you signed up.
So, the fairer sex better at the "car salesman" gig? I think so (and its not because, on the whole, they've been lovely girls to look at as well. At least two of them were old enough to be my mother).
Went to a Mazda dealer in Notts at the weekend and they were great. Apart from having to wait a bit longer for a test drive because there were only two of them there and one was already out, it was actually quite refreshing.
No pressure to buy, no hard sell, just talking through the car, its options, happy to run any combination of quotes to see what the payments look like and invited to think about it at home before coming back for a proper test drive on our own without a salesman in the back seat.
I have to say, this was a lady who dealt with us and I have just noticed a pattern. The last car we bought we dealt with a lady and the previous two serious inquiries were also dealt with by ladies and they were excellent (especially the one who wanted to get out of the office and immediately suggested taking a Fiesta ST for a blast). Even handed, no pressure, no BS. If they don't know something they admit it, they don't try to make something up.
Volvo dealer on same day as the Mazda dealer, the two guys were straight in with running the numbers and coming back with quotes with all kinds of little extras added. Very eager to get you signed up.
So, the fairer sex better at the "car salesman" gig? I think so (and its not because, on the whole, they've been lovely girls to look at as well. At least two of them were old enough to be my mother).
KTF said:
Efbe said:
I am completely unaware why anyone should be able to get a discount off a price, that should be the accurate value of the car. It's a system that just promotes people being arses.
Ask Daewoo how well that strategy worked out for them.I believe Dacia tried something similar but not sure if they are still playing the 'fixed price' game any more.
When you can get nigh on 25% off a 3 series list price, you really have to think should someone not be saing "right lads, its time to stop this jig and be realistic about what our cars are worth".
daemon said:
When you can get nigh on 25% off a 3 series list price, you really have to think should someone not be saing "right lads, its time to stop this jig and be realistic about what our cars are worth".
You'd think company car users (of which many with have 3 Series) would be up in arms about this as they get taxed on the list price.Sheepshanks said:
daemon said:
When you can get nigh on 25% off a 3 series list price, you really have to think should someone not be saing "right lads, its time to stop this jig and be realistic about what our cars are worth".
You'd think company car users (of which many with have 3 Series) would be up in arms about this as they get taxed on the list price.Chances are, if the equivalent Audi or similar is £50-100 extra PM, most will take it and tell/not tell S-HWMBO.
Also, if the Germans are doing the don't discount or adjust prices accordingly, while offering deposit contributions, fleet sweeteners and the like with gay abandon, the overall cost might actually be not too dissimilar.
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