New offence: Driving without flair or intention

[spookly]

brrapp said:

Bristol spark said:

Urm, i never use full beam, dipped beam is perfectly adequate for lighting up the road in front. I cant be arsed messing around with the constant flicking on and off!

Im certainly not a 45mph dawdler though

Seriously? !

Probably has his fog lights on :-)

[V8 FOU]

Bristol spark said:

Urm, i never use full beam, dipped beam is perfectly adequate for lighting up the road in front. I cant be arsed messing around with the constant flicking on and off!

Im certainly not a 45mph dawdler though

You aren't driving fast enough at night, then. So it is you we all get stuck behind driving slowly because you are too scared to use the main beam.....

[DJM7691]

Liquid Knight said:

Europa1 said:

Liquid Knight said:

DJM7691 said:

People that, when approaching a roundabout with incredible visibility, still feel the need to stop and check when it is clear.

That's called driving with due care and attention.

The number of twunts who enter a roundabout with no intention of stopping at the "GIVE WAY" line and have to do an emergency stop mid-bend because a cyclist wearing hi-viz pulled on to the roundabout when they were two hundred Yards away.

I think the key words in DJM's post were "incredible visibility".

I wasn't referring to the "Incredible Visibility" roundabout. I should have paragraphed the sentence to demonstrate separation more adequately (efa in the quote).


There are a couple of incredible visibility roundabouts but they tend to either be the painted on a junction type like the myriad in Watford or someone has stolen the signs, posts and other road furniture like Milton Keynes. Either way if I have someone behind me I will slow and maybe stop depending on competence and road language of the vehicle behind.

Why would the behaviour of the vehicle behind you affect the way that you would slow down for a roundabout?

Feel like you have completely missed my point. I'm not suggesting that you should barrel up to a roundabout whether you can see or not and either head straight across or emergency stop if there is traffic.

I'm suggesting that, if on approach to a roundabout, if there is clearly no other vehicle or cyclist on the roundabout, why the hell would you come to a controlled stop?

[Liquid Knight]

DJM7691 said:

Why would the behaviour of the vehicle behind you affect the way that you would slow down for a roundabout?

Experience and all round observation mostly.

Make, model and condition. (Goes without saying)

Position on the road in relation to me. (Two second rule and if they are looking to overtake etc)

Position on the road in relation to the road itself. (Racing liners, centre line followers, verge hugging or all over the place)

Hand position on the steering wheel. (Arm crossed over the top of the steering wheel is a massive indication there's a twunt in the vehicle behind, hand on the bottom of the steering wheel is just as bad)

Attention. (Are they messing about with the stereo, have a car full of kids, messing about with their phones, in conversation with hands free or passengers)

There are other factors like the road conditions and how well they are driving to those (no lights if rain etc) but that's the gist of it.

I'm a bit of a sociopath so tend to overthink and list things.

[aeropilot]

jamieduff1981 said:

Liquid Knight said:

DJM7691 said:

People that, when approaching a roundabout with incredible visibility, still feel the need to stop and check when it is clear.

That's called driving with due care and attention. The number of twunts who enter a roundabout with no intention of stopping at the "GIVE WAY" line and have to do an emergency stop mid-bend because a cyclist wearing hi-viz pulled on to the roundabout when they were two hundred Yards away.

I'd argue that someone complete halt at a well sighted roundabout with no visible traffic is demonstrating less attention or anticipation of their surroundings than might be expected to meet the minimum standard for a driving test.

Stopping when there is no actual requirement to stop implies that you can't think more than 10 feet past the end of your bonnet.

I have been in a passenger of a car being driven by a relative recently who not only came to a stop at a complete clear roundabout, but put car into neutral and applied handbrake before looking to the right to see if clear.....

I contemplated getting out and walking.......

[Guybrush]

1Addicted said:

...it's made infuriating by people who cannot get within 10mph of the speed limit i.e was stuck behind someone doing 25mph in 40mph zone this week, and 40mph on NSL B roads are common which are fairly straight or sweepingly bent at worst. What adds to this is the bunch is dimwitted drivers who just pile up behind them and follow them for 18miles without intention to overtake despite many safe opportunities so, those of us with a brain, stuck 43 cars back have no chance.

Others that annoy me are those who cannot pull away. Lights go green and we sit, or we take 15 seconds to get to 30mph. Then you have those who brake for EVERY bend regardless of speed or severity of turn, or worse do that and brake when another car comes in the opposite direction, posing no threat at all on a road hugely wide enough for two HGVs to pass.
Then, how about those at side turnings who see you approaching at NSL (when you're lucky enough to get there), stop, creep, stop and then pull out when you're 100m away.

Edited by 1Addicted on Thursday 28th July 12:19

That pretty much sums up the vast majority of drivers I encounter. Their brakes must need replacing very often.

[vrooom]

People who acceerlate so slowly from standstill.... on NSL road

[_Neal_]

Liquid Knight said:

Attention. (Are they messing about with the stereo, have a car full of kids, messing about with their phones, in conversation with hands free or passengers)

I sort of see where you're coming from, but to be honest the last thing I'd want to do is come to a stop in front of someone I could tell wasn't paying attention, like you describe above!

Equally, if someone's following very closely and/or wants to overtake, why not let them? I'd rather have a poor/aggressive driver in front of me, that I can make allowances for, than have one behind me and be trying to "manage" them somehow.

[Johnnytheboy]

This was a elegant way by the op of getting a whole bunch of PH's numpties to reveal themselves.

This really isn't a driving forum any more, is it?

[Johnnytheboy]

I would add dabbing the brakes on a straight, level section of the road, for no discernable reason.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

The super non-MLM point proving pri**.
He drives down the Mway like a yo-yo. Constantly darting from the inside lane to the outside then back.

[Liquid Knight]

_Neal_ said:

Liquid Knight said:

Attention. (Are they messing about with the stereo, have a car full of kids, messing about with their phones, in conversation with hands free or passengers)

I sort of see where you're coming from, but to be honest the last thing I'd want to do is come to a stop in front of someone I could tell wasn't paying attention, like you describe above!

Equally, if someone's following very closely and/or wants to overtake, why not let them? I'd rather have a poor/aggressive driver in front of me, that I can make allowances for, than have one behind me and be trying to "manage" them somehow.

You don't "just stop" in front of people like that it require more planning.

Letting someone overtake is fine provided the road conditions and layout allow it. We were on about country lanes, high verges, reduced visibility round bends and so on. Even using a passing place could be an issue of they boot it past hit a patch of mud and ditch it. Not your fault but there would be an obligation to stop, point laugh or even offer to help.