RE: BMW 760Li announced

[PHMatt]

GTEYE said:

Usget said:

So is this a 760 or an M760 (as the badge would suggest) making it the first official M-badged 7 ever?

Either way, I love the idea of a supersonic 7 (but I think I prefer the look of the Alpina...)

Its an M performance model, in much the same way that the M135/M235 aren't really proper M cars either.

Impressive spec nonetheless!

A proper M version would be "M7"
This M760i is a "regular" 760 that M division has breathed on. In, as mentioned, much the same way M Division breathed upon the M135i etc. Slightly selling their soul for fame and fortune, but they still make a great desirable car.

[helix402]

Tis not the first M 7 series, who can forget the E23 M745i South African one?

[Bencolem]

Err, it doesn't have 720lbft or torque, it has 590lbft?

[Ares]

Bencolem said:

Err, it doesn't have 720lbft or torque, it has 590lbft?

err, It has 720. the Alpina has 590.

Pays to read ;-)

[Ares]

SturdyHSV said:

Main bearings are double bolted? So presumably 4-bolts each, like a small block chevy from the 60s? Even a lowly Mustang will give you 6-bolt mains...

Aluminium pistons coated in iron... Presumably it's an aluminium block then as well? By my limited understanding aluminium pistons wouldn't survive in an aluminium bore, hence the coating to create a barrier. So it's just a necessity as opposed to anything fancy?

I don't know, it just seems like they're listing details of the engine as if to impress your associate at the 19th hole, whereas those things aren't in and of themselves anything special?

Does it also have 12 iridium spark plugs and 32psi of air in the tyres? It's just inane detail given for people without any contextual understanding to make it sound more impressive.

Edited by SturdyHSV on Friday 12th February 12:55

Once you look past "assumed" and "presumed" pedantry, it's a great car. Some however will always find a reason to nit pick and find fault when we should be applauding a large capacity monster in an age of political correctness and barmy EU-legislative appeasement.

[anonymous-user]

I was expecting larger power and torque figures from this.

600hp/700lbft was cracked well over a decade ago on a 6ltr+ v12TT.

[Amirhussain]

Nice!

[Shaoxter]

Morningside said:

Why don't they do a non stretched V12 version?

It's a 7 series meant to be chauffeured around in, to be honest I'm surprised at the lack of LWB versions in the UK.

279 said:

I was expecting larger power and torque figures from this.

600hp/700lbft was cracked well over a decade ago on a 6ltr+ v12TT.

Nothing that a quick remap can't fix

[anonymous-user]

SturdyHSV said:

Main bearings are double bolted? So presumably 4-bolts each, like a small block chevy from the 60s? Even a lowly Mustang will give you 6-bolt mains...

Aluminium pistons coated in iron... Presumably it's an aluminium block then as well? By my limited understanding aluminium pistons wouldn't survive in an aluminium bore, hence the coating to create a barrier. So it's just a necessity as opposed to anything fancy?

I don't know, it just seems like they're listing details of the engine as if to impress your associate at the 19th hole, whereas those things aren't in and of themselves anything special?

Does it also have 12 iridium spark plugs and 32psi of air in the tyres? It's just inane detail given for people without any contextual understanding to make it sound more impressive.

So, forged crank, rods, pair of turbo's and 12 cylinders.

Much to complain about there

[aston addict]

Ares said:

Subjective, and not flattered by (those) photos.

In the flesh they look good, and have bags of road presence.

Agreed, was trailed by one last saturday in central London - looked very imposing, much better than the pictures suggest.

[S1MMA]

Shaoxter said:

It's a 7 series meant to be chauffeured around in, to be honest I'm surprised at the lack of LWB versions in the UK.

I can only imagine the thoughts of those which see me hammer past them in my 7 series (it is an M sport but hardly an MX5) mainly on the A24 coming back to London from the in laws usually on a late sunday evening. Taking roundabouts briskly in a 7 has to be experienced to be believed, but they do go round and it is actually quite a lot of fun.

I still haven't taken it on track in place of the GT3, but if I had a high powered version it would be a laugh to do so! There is something very naughty about hustling a big car around, and the 7 has to be the best of the (old) breed to do this in. The panamera moved the game on in terms of dynamics but it's not in the same league of 7/S class/XJ for the wafty luxo part of the experience, although the ride quality of the pan is impressive.

[Bencolem]

Ares said:

Bencolem said:

Err, it doesn't have 720lbft or torque, it has 590lbft?

err, It has 720. the Alpina has 590.

Pays to read ;-)

Nope.

I'm saying PH has got it wrong. BMW don't claim 720lb-ft, they claim 590lb-ft.

I'm able to read thank you very much.

[Burwood]

279 said:

I was expecting larger power and torque figures from this.

600hp/700lbft was cracked well over a decade ago on a 6ltr+ v12TT.

Not than many or any would but imagine what power is actually lurking, waiting to be released. Given it's a 6.6L TT. It could produce 1,000 but would probably eat the gearbox and AWD system.

[mikEsprit]

Why is it noticeably slower (3 tenths) to 62 mph than the Alpina?

[Ares]

Bencolem said:

Ares said:

Bencolem said:

Err, it doesn't have 720lbft or torque, it has 590lbft?

err, It has 720. the Alpina has 590.

Pays to read ;-)

Nope.

I'm saying PH has got it wrong. BMW don't claim 720lb-ft, they claim 590lb-ft.

I'm able to read thank you very much.

I stand corrected!

[Ares]

279 said:

I was expecting larger power and torque figures from this.

600hp/700lbft was cracked well over a decade ago on a 6ltr+ v12TT.

I guess these cars are not about max power. 600bhp/lb ft if more than adequate and more than a luxe-barge will ever really need.

BMW got over 600bhp out of a 6l non-turbo V12 over 20yrs ago!

[Wills2]

Bencolem said:

Ares said:

Bencolem said:

Err, it doesn't have 720lbft or torque, it has 590lbft?

err, It has 720. the Alpina has 590.

Pays to read ;-)

Nope.

I'm saying PH has got it wrong. BMW don't claim 720lb-ft, they claim 590lb-ft.

I'm able to read thank you very much.

Agreed typical PH article typo the car has 590lb/ft as you say, why they can't read and check the press release is beyond me.

Edited by Wills2 on Friday 12th February 18:01

[Burwood]

mikEsprit said:

Why is it noticeably slower (3 tenths) to 62 mph than the Alpina?

Because it isn't. All fast BMW's have published 0-62 etc quite a bit more than their real times. Same with power output. Reality is it will have well over a published 600 and is probably quicker than the S65

[Denaris]

Morningside said:

Why don't they do a non stretched V12 version?

Exactly what I was thinking, the SWB version looks much better too. Not that it really matters as I can't afford one anyway.

[rtz62]

matrignano said:

Sounds like it's the M5's V8 with an extra 4 cylinders?

So, im not quite sure how it can be much 'like' the M5's engine, having 12 cylinders and different power characteristics etc...

And the comment about being 0.3 of a second slower to 62 would surely be irrelevant, as most of these ('most' being relative, as the number sold will be commensurately low) will surely be chauffeur driven, and therefore smooth and linear acceleration will be the order of the day rather than 'throw the CEO onto the back shelf' flat out, full bore varieties.

As someone else said, I'll have to wait a few years to afford one of these, at which point the looming spectre of electrical melt-downs will probably put me off anyway.....