Any sleepers (real ones) for sale?
Discussion
Slow said:
Nothing from the factory can be a sleeper imo. Has to be a bog standard piece of s
t with either a huge turbo or a engine swap really.
A Sleeper or a Q car or a Stealth car is: t with either a huge turbo or a engine swap really.A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of s
t with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"
Stickyfinger said:
A Sleeper or a Q car or a Stealth car is:
A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of st with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"
I'm sorry to disagree but someone being passed by a Mercedes or similar is hardly a surprise. However that same Mercedes being passed by a rough looking old car is the definition of a sleeper. A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of s
t with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"Also if you think a well modded 'pos' as you put it will only survive a few months of "squirt and go" then that shows a lack of knowledge about what goes into them.
Steve93 said:
Stickyfinger said:
A Sleeper or a Q car or a Stealth car is:
A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of st with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"
I'm sorry to disagree but someone being passed by a Mercedes or similar is hardly a surprise. However that same Mercedes being passed by a rough looking old car is the definition of a sleeper. A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of s
t with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"Also if you think a well modded 'pos' as you put it will only survive a few months of "squirt and go" then that shows a lack of knowledge about what goes into them.
Who said well modded ?....I said a "Piece of s
t with a big engine".....still a piece of st.Needs: required modifications to be made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect)....most don't, if they do then I said yes (as that effort is rare)
Stickyfinger said:
Steve93 said:
Stickyfinger said:
A Sleeper or a Q car or a Stealth car is:
A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of st with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"
I'm sorry to disagree but someone being passed by a Mercedes or similar is hardly a surprise. However that same Mercedes being passed by a rough looking old car is the definition of a sleeper. A nice car that is a surprise to all but a few who know.
As is a factory one that "looks" like a normal every day car and effortlessly blends in with the mass.
Add to that list the need that it has had all the required modifications made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect) to make it both capable and safe BUT still a fast car in all motoring situations.
A piece of s
t with either a huge turbo or a engine swap is just that...a piece of st that may survive a few months of "Squirt and go"Also if you think a well modded 'pos' as you put it will only survive a few months of "squirt and go" then that shows a lack of knowledge about what goes into them.
Who said well modded ?....I said a "Piece of s
t with a big engine".....still a piece of st.Needs: required modifications to be made to it (engine, chassis, brakes, transmission ect)....most don't, if they do then I said yes (as that effort is rare)
There can be fun in strapping a huge turbo to a car or just turning the boost up high.
I did some very basic upgrades to my cherry (think boost up on a bigger turbo, air filter, exhaust) and its running 170ish bhp from 110 or such stock. 0-60 side by side with a astra vxr in a car which looks like a piece of crap 80s hatch, only thing that doesnt make it a sleeper is the intercooler hanging out the front end due to no space in the engine bay for it.
I think the fun of a sleeper is just for traffic light grand prix and motorways beside high end exotica type thing. Not for going round the track as fast as you can, or even flying down your local A/B road, its just the fun of the straightline bat s
t crazyness.Edit: Sort of like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJE2XjIV1rw
But not this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhYYFQikbXE
Edited by Slow on Sunday 14th February 17:57
Slow said:
I said sort of. Meant the lack of huge wheels and intercooler compared to the second.
That IS exactly why they are hard to spot however and thus why so few shown that really are Sleepers/Q/Stealth, are hard to spot/make and why so few production cars fit the name.That is the point of the threat Sir
Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 14th February 18:25
Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 14th February 18:27
daemon said:
It just needs the intercooler and piping covered as in its current shape that shouts performance. Also the advert lists power at 200bhp which is near enough standard power, I sort of hoped for much more with what looks like a modded engine. I'd say 200bhp in a fairly heavy car isn't anywhere near sleeper performance. I've got a front mount intercooler on my car but I had it painted black and hidden from view as I personally don't like the intercooler on display thing. My car is absolutely not a sleeper but all of the performance mods have been hidden with the exception of the exhaust which is hard to hide.
Steve93 said:
I'm sorry to disagree but someone being passed by a Mercedes or similar is hardly a surprise. However that same Mercedes being passed by a rough looking old car is the definition of a sleeper.
This is why 'Sleepers' are about context.I don't think someone giving it some in a new 911 would expect an old S Class to out pace them 'Because Mercedes'.
That's something that is completely feasible in my S600. It looks virtually no different to a S320 Diesel, makes zero noise and even has a wheel design that almost entirely covers the (thankfully massive) brakes.
With relatively minor and completely hidden modifications it'll go 0-100 comfortably under 9 seconds and from a roll hold its own with most this side of a 'supercar'. And I'll re-illiterate. Looks exactly like every other old S Class that would have struggled to give all those 'sleeper' 9000 Aeros a decent run back when they were still stock...
Edited by 279 on Sunday 14th February 21:23
Stickyfinger said:
FAIL as it has a MASSIVE InterCooler showing, Red Clipersand silly blue pipes....NOT qualified
Whilst i take your point, whos going to see that when they pull up beside your people carrier in some rep mobile at the lights?Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 14th February 21:04
Granted, the intercooler should be more subtle for the true sleeper look, but there must be an easy 50BHP to be extracted from the engine.
I'd certainly have a go. I've my Clio 172 project near complete so if i can find a home for it...
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