RE: The only way is (north) up! PH Blog
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James Drake said:
So, not wishing to draw too many conclusions at this early stage.... but things are not looking good for Dan and his old fashioned methods.
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
On reflection it's not looking good for any of us who have posted any view on satnavs other than 'It's for birds and nonces, not real men.' If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
It has got to be direction of travel 
My satnav(s) will give me an overview of the route before I leave, after that you follow direction of travel and just use a bit of common sense (and your inbuilt sense of direction) to work out if your satnav is trying to take you on a merry dance.
When I used to use a map I would always use it north up to plan my journey before I left, but if navigating on a journey I would change to direction of travel.
I guess that last sentence shows I am a bit weird and definitely not quite normal
When we were younger we used to go greenlaning on the Salisbury Plains, purposely get completely lost and then use our sense of direction to try and get back to a certain set point. Some people could do it and others were utterly useless and would end up back at square one
All great fun but a complete waste of time except it taught me a sense of direction, which I can still use now, if I need to
My satnav(s) will give me an overview of the route before I leave, after that you follow direction of travel and just use a bit of common sense (and your inbuilt sense of direction) to work out if your satnav is trying to take you on a merry dance.
When I used to use a map I would always use it north up to plan my journey before I left, but if navigating on a journey I would change to direction of travel.
I guess that last sentence shows I am a bit weird and definitely not quite normal
When we were younger we used to go greenlaning on the Salisbury Plains, purposely get completely lost and then use our sense of direction to try and get back to a certain set point. Some people could do it and others were utterly useless and would end up back at square one
All great fun but a complete waste of time except it taught me a sense of direction, which I can still use now, if I need to
Slightly depends on situation.
Open roads, North up.
Using Google maps it's easy to see upcoming traffic and so avoid it if it's bad and easy to plan ahead for the next few turnings.
Direction of travel is perhaps better in built up areas where my sense of scale tends to go awry for some reason.
Open roads, North up.
Using Google maps it's easy to see upcoming traffic and so avoid it if it's bad and easy to plan ahead for the next few turnings.
Direction of travel is perhaps better in built up areas where my sense of scale tends to go awry for some reason.
James Drake said:
So, not wishing to draw too many conclusions at this early stage.... but things are not looking good for Dan and his old fashioned methods.
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
Maybe a year (or few months) only driving a half priced shed (about £500 max), so he could use his map skills!
I think you could short list, say 5 sheds and forum users could vote on which one he should use.
CS400 said:
James Drake said:
So, not wishing to draw too many conclusions at this early stage.... but things are not looking good for Dan and his old fashioned methods.
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
Maybe a year (or few months) only driving a half priced shed (about £500 max), so he could use his map skills!
I think you could short list, say 5 sheds and forum users could vote on which one he should use.
Oh, guess I am a bit weird then.
I quite often find the very action of drawing these commits them to memory though.
Dan
Dan Trent said:
CS400 said:
James Drake said:
So, not wishing to draw too many conclusions at this early stage.... but things are not looking good for Dan and his old fashioned methods.
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
Maybe a year (or few months) only driving a half priced shed (about £500 max), so he could use his map skills!
I think you could short list, say 5 sheds and forum users could vote on which one he should use.
Oh, guess I am a bit weird then.
I quite often find the very action of drawing these commits them to memory though.
Dan
CS400 said:
Dan Trent said:
CS400 said:
James Drake said:
So, not wishing to draw too many conclusions at this early stage.... but things are not looking good for Dan and his old fashioned methods.
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
If anyone would like to suggest any suitable forfeits for Dan's presumption at me being in the wrong, I'd love to hear them!
JD
Maybe a year (or few months) only driving a half priced shed (about £500 max), so he could use his map skills!
I think you could short list, say 5 sheds and forum users could vote on which one he should use.
Oh, guess I am a bit weird then.
I quite often find the very action of drawing these commits them to memory though.
Dan
Its pretty simple. You first use a map to orient yourself in the landscape. You find your current position, using landmarks, then plot where you want to go, and then use landmarks referenced to the map to start walking the correct way. For this purpose, being "North Oriented" makes a lot of sense, and keeps a fixed frame of reference as you navigate.
Sat Navs do the "Navigating and route planning" for you. All you need to know is to turn left or right. And here, direction of travel makes much more sense. You arrive at a junction, the nav screen shouts Turn Left and shows you an arrow. Looking at the direction of travel screen keeps left left and right right no matter which compass point your ate closest too.
So:
MAPS = NORTH UP
NAV = DOT
Got that? simples!
Sat Navs do the "Navigating and route planning" for you. All you need to know is to turn left or right. And here, direction of travel makes much more sense. You arrive at a junction, the nav screen shouts Turn Left and shows you an arrow. Looking at the direction of travel screen keeps left left and right right no matter which compass point your ate closest too.
So:
MAPS = NORTH UP
NAV = DOT
Got that? simples!
In the days before sat-nav, my folks gave me a stick-on compass one Christmas. I had a mk3 Supra turbo at the time & decided the compass would sit perfectly on the far right of the dash, above the air vent. Don't know what was behind the dash there, but it was sufficiently magnetic that it ALWAYS had straight ahead as North! Was a right b
d to get off too...
Nowadays, the pro-nav in the Z4 is set to 2D & direction of travel, but the screen is only ever up when using the nav - otherwise it has to be folded down into the dash.
The tom-tom for use in Volvo or abroad, has to be 2D too, but North is up. I don't know why that is - think it's more to do with orientation in a strange place & it's logically clearer when North = up.
However, I'm lucky in that once I've driven a route, I can happily drive it again, with no navigation devices, no matter how long, complex, or where. I seem to be able to hold a route (many routes) in my head with no issues - until they change the road layout when i'm not there (e.g. Rental car return in Atlanta airport threw me for a while a few years back).
Oh, and on the subject of navigation & the US, why don't more cars in Europe come with the compass built into the rear-view mirror? I reallly like that feature when I have it - even though it's of little use in reality.
Anyway, TL/DR - 2D view & it depends...
d to get off too... Nowadays, the pro-nav in the Z4 is set to 2D & direction of travel, but the screen is only ever up when using the nav - otherwise it has to be folded down into the dash.
The tom-tom for use in Volvo or abroad, has to be 2D too, but North is up. I don't know why that is - think it's more to do with orientation in a strange place & it's logically clearer when North = up.
However, I'm lucky in that once I've driven a route, I can happily drive it again, with no navigation devices, no matter how long, complex, or where. I seem to be able to hold a route (many routes) in my head with no issues - until they change the road layout when i'm not there (e.g. Rental car return in Atlanta airport threw me for a while a few years back).
Oh, and on the subject of navigation & the US, why don't more cars in Europe come with the compass built into the rear-view mirror? I reallly like that feature when I have it - even though it's of little use in reality.
Anyway, TL/DR - 2D view & it depends...
How bizarre!
I don't think there's any distinction to be made, unless you're a bit of a mentalist. Track up if you're following directions, north up if you're freestyling it and using the nav as a map. Shirley?
Real men can tell the direction in which they're travelling even if their screen is set to direction of travel.
I don't think there's any distinction to be made, unless you're a bit of a mentalist. Track up if you're following directions, north up if you're freestyling it and using the nav as a map. Shirley?
Real men can tell the direction in which they're travelling even if their screen is set to direction of travel.
Setting your map to the ground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIMXgaU7Hc
Roma101 said:
Ha-ha. Slow day, by any chance? I don't give it too much thought and to be honest haven't checked to see how you change the settings, but the default position, and the one I use, is direction of travel.
On satnavs, my £200 tomtom appears to be better than my c.£1000 pro nav in my 3 series. Doh! Still, the latter looks nicer.
I did once see a guy at a track day, in his 235i. He'd stuck his Tom-Tom sucker onto his BMW Nav screen! LOL Obviously not a great system? On satnavs, my £200 tomtom appears to be better than my c.£1000 pro nav in my 3 series. Doh! Still, the latter looks nicer.
Direction of Travel for me when actually moving, I find it much easier to follow the directions when they flash up on screen(I always have mine muted, being talked at by a sat nav just annoys me).
Like others though, if I'm looking at a map beforehand (which I often do to get a rough idea of where I want to be ending up relative to where I am now) it'll be held/looked at North Up.
Like others though, if I'm looking at a map beforehand (which I often do to get a rough idea of where I want to be ending up relative to where I am now) it'll be held/looked at North Up.
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