Overtaking before the vehicle in front has pulled in
Discussion
Fastpedeller said:
Likewise when in small towns, and a motorist is turning L into a side street and the idiot behind decides (cos it's quicker for him) to overtake as the Ist car is turning, so he is risking someone turning out at the same time (equally impatient) or driving into the oncoming traffic. I just can't believe how peeps a)are so impatient b)lack foresight. I'll probably be criticised for being too slow
I've had this done to me the other day actually, he was making w
ker signs at me through his side window when I looked in my rear view mirror having just turned into a narrow side street, people have no patience anymore, I really don't know how people get through the day with such high stress levels. I wasn't driving slowly, maybe he was having a bad day.Gary29 said:
I've had this done to me the other day actually, he was making wker signs at me through his side window when I looked in my rear view mirror having just turned into a narrow side street, people have no patience anymore, I really don't know how people get through the day with such high stress levels. I wasn't driving slowly, maybe he was having a bad day.
The 'best' example of this was when I was approaching a narrowing road under a railway bridge, as I approached I NEEDED ( for reason see below) to indicate and pull swiftly into the roadside. The 'lady' behind came alongside and gesticulated wildly - so I pointed to the fire engine on blues and 2's right behind her ker signs at me through his side window when I looked in my rear view mirror having just turned into a narrow side street, people have no patience anymore, I really don't know how people get through the day with such high stress levels. I wasn't driving slowly, maybe he was having a bad day.
Needless to say she saw the error of her ways, maybe she'll pay more attention to what's going on around her next time? 4? Tonne of fire engine into rear of car would have been messy!Rawwr said:
This is surely a new thing and an amazing example of impatience. I've witnessed this on a fair few occasions now.
Have you experienced the situation whereby on a dual-carriageway or motorway the vehicle behind you starts passing you before you've moved back into lane one? So you'll have your nearside wheels in L1, your offside wheels in L2, a series of dashed white lines running underneath the centre of your car and someone is already alongside you on your offside.
At this point I imagine there's quite a few people already typing out their reply about how I'm obviously taking at least four hours to change lane and that I shouldn't inconvenience anyone who needs to be places. This is categorically not the case.
A tap on the brake lights works a treat. Sometimes flooring the throttle too.Have you experienced the situation whereby on a dual-carriageway or motorway the vehicle behind you starts passing you before you've moved back into lane one? So you'll have your nearside wheels in L1, your offside wheels in L2, a series of dashed white lines running underneath the centre of your car and someone is already alongside you on your offside.
At this point I imagine there's quite a few people already typing out their reply about how I'm obviously taking at least four hours to change lane and that I shouldn't inconvenience anyone who needs to be places. This is categorically not the case.
essIII said:
MrBarry123 said:
I'm not brake-checking them guys - calm down.
If someone sits an inch from my bumper for no reason, I move over slowly. I'm doing nothing illegal and I'm not the one driving aggressively. Unless the other driver is quite clearly lane hogging, there's zero reason to tailgate other drivers. It's fundamentally dangerous.
I make a conscious effort to move over for all other drivers - more so than I probably should.
I love it when self righteous, holier-than-thou drivers try to teach other drivers a lesson in the name of "safety" and yet just make things more dangerous for themselves and everyone around them.
Fastpedeller said:
Likewise when in small towns, and a motorist is turning L into a side street and the idiot behind decides (cos it's quicker for him) to overtake as the Ist car is turning, so he is risking someone turning out at the same time (equally impatient) or driving into the oncoming traffic. I just can't believe how peeps a)are so impatient b)lack foresight. I'll probably be criticised for being too slow
Yes, but why, these days, when folks are making a simple left turn, do they throw the car over to the right a la racing driver hitting an apex. Stupid.Joratk said:
I'm guilty of doing it, but only if I have been stuck behind some dimwit who has been holding the fast lane up - which the roads seem to more increasingly full with. Apart from that, I am a rather courteous driver. 
Referring to the outermost lane as the 'fast lane' is a pretty epic mistake, too...Boosted LS1 said:
Because they're idiots and have no concept of the car's length or where the rear wheels will be positioned relative to the kerb.
This and too stupid to understand that the pivot point for their turn is the rear axle. The other habit that yanks my chain is people at traffic lights for a 90 degree turn who swerve in the opposite direction before making the turn. Strokers.dme123 said:
deadslow said:
Yes, but why, these days, when folks are making a simple left turn, do they throw the car over to the right a la racing driver hitting an apex. Stupid.
That's not a "these days" thing, I've puzzled over that for the last 20 years.It is probably because they are such poor drivers, with poor spatial, and positioning awareness, in the past they have driven across the corner they are trying to negotiate.
Not being able to judge distances or how their vehicle reacts to a steering input means they over compensate by initially turning away from the direction they want to turn in. the only drivers who probably have to do this are articulated hgv drivers. for any `car' driver it is a sign of poor driving technique.
Why do some people drive cars (especially those in small cars) so ponderously, like they are behind the wheel of a 38 ton behemoth, when in fact they are generally behind the wheel of a small agile , nippy vehicle, which can safely change lanes in a couple of seconds at motorway speeds?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 16th February 10:52
Summary: Pistonheads is full of angry people who like to annoy those who have annoyed them. Which in turn, makes everything worse.
Frankly, creating a potentially dangerous situation for the sake of a few seconds delay is stupid in every scenario. I don't care whether he held you up or murdered your first child, it doesn't make it better...
Frankly, creating a potentially dangerous situation for the sake of a few seconds delay is stupid in every scenario. I don't care whether he held you up or murdered your first child, it doesn't make it better...
docter fox said:
Summary: Pistonheads is full of angry people who like to annoy those who have annoyed them. Which in turn, makes everything worse.
Frankly, creating a potentially dangerous situation for the sake of a few seconds delay is stupid in every scenario. I don't care whether he held you up or murdered your first child, it doesn't make it better...
Who would you rate as being the worst. An impatient tailgater, or a bloody minded deliberate baulker?Frankly, creating a potentially dangerous situation for the sake of a few seconds delay is stupid in every scenario. I don't care whether he held you up or murdered your first child, it doesn't make it better...
I would rate them both as being menaces, because they are BOTH doing something that does not need to be done, and which can affect road safety.
WJNB said:
Rawwr said:
This is surely a new thing and an amazing example of impatience. I've witnessed this on a fair few occasions now.
Have you experienced the situation whereby on a dual-carriageway or motorway the vehicle behind you starts passing you before you've moved back into lane one? So you'll have your nearside wheels in L1, your offside wheels in L2, a series of dashed white lines running underneath the centre of your car and someone is already alongside you on your offside.
At this point I imagine there's quite a few people already typing out their reply about how I'm obviously taking at least four hours to change lane and that I shouldn't inconvenience anyone who needs to be places. This is categorically not the case.
A tap on the brake lights works a treat. Sometimes flooring the throttle too.Have you experienced the situation whereby on a dual-carriageway or motorway the vehicle behind you starts passing you before you've moved back into lane one? So you'll have your nearside wheels in L1, your offside wheels in L2, a series of dashed white lines running underneath the centre of your car and someone is already alongside you on your offside.
At this point I imagine there's quite a few people already typing out their reply about how I'm obviously taking at least four hours to change lane and that I shouldn't inconvenience anyone who needs to be places. This is categorically not the case.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Who would you rate as being the worst. An impatient tailgater, or a bloody minded deliberate baulker?
I would rate them both as being menaces, because they are BOTH doing something that does not need to be done, and which can affect road safety.
I suppose which is worse depends on the severity in each scenario but they're both stupid. Fact.I would rate them both as being menaces, because they are BOTH doing something that does not need to be done, and which can affect road safety.
Max_Torque said:
MrBarry123 said:
If I'm travelling at a reasonable speed and I have some numpty plant themselves an inch from my rear bumper because I've slowed them from 71mph to 70mph, I'll often be a child and take a VERY long time to move back in L1.
Then YOU are exactly the sort of T**T we are talking about on this thread!!People who think it's "funny" to inconvenience others are idiots. Overtake at a reasonable speed, then pull over. As soon as you act like a T**T you'll get the other person acting like more of a T**T, then you up the ante again, and so it goes on.
If you were walking down the street, in no hurray, and someone came jogging up behind you, would you deliberately obstruct them? I suspect not, so don't do it in your car either you T**T.......
A 2-lane DC or motorway. I am travelling at 70 with cruise control on in L1 and come up behind a car doing 65ish. I check RH mirror and it's clear and safe to pull out. In carrying out the manoeuvre I may delay some vehicles already in L2 who were travelling faster than me. However I maintain my speed before pulling back into L1 with no great delay.
Pan Pan Pan said:
dme123 said:
deadslow said:
Yes, but why, these days, when folks are making a simple left turn, do they throw the car over to the right a la racing driver hitting an apex. Stupid.
That's not a "these days" thing, I've puzzled over that for the last 20 years.It is probably because they are such poor drivers, with poor spatial, and positioning awareness, in the past they have driven across the corner they are trying to negotiate.
Not being able to judge distances or how their vehicle reacts to a steering input means they over compensate by initially turning away from the direction they want to turn in. the only drivers who probably have to do this are articulated hgv drivers. for any `car' driver it is a sign of poor driving technique.
Why do some people drive cars (especially those in small cars) so ponderously, like they are behind the wheel of a 38 ton behemoth, when in fact they are generally behind the wheel of a small agile , nippy vehicle, which can safely change lanes in a couple of seconds at motorway speeds?
As long as they are not blocking another lane, please can you clarify why they shouldn't use the entire width of the lane if the circumstances require?
Pan Pan Pan said:
Who would you rate as being the worst. An impatient tailgater, or a bloody minded deliberate baulker?
I would rate them both as being menaces, because they are BOTH doing something that does not need to be done, and which can affect road safety.
The problem is what else are you supposed to do with these mongs?I would rate them both as being menaces, because they are BOTH doing something that does not need to be done, and which can affect road safety.
If you hang back they'll just sit there all day oblivious, if you flash them they'll throw a tantrum, if you tailgate or try to position your headlamp in their offside mirror to give them a hint they'll throw the toys out the pram and change lanes at 0.0000000023mm per second as some have already admitted to in this thread!
For the record I almost never get tailgated, on the odd occasion where I have been caught out I actually feel a bit silly (as I know how much it can annoy) and get out of the way quick style, I would have to question the driving of someone who frequently gets tailgated.
oyster said:
Max_Torque said:
MrBarry123 said:
If I'm travelling at a reasonable speed and I have some numpty plant themselves an inch from my rear bumper because I've slowed them from 71mph to 70mph, I'll often be a child and take a VERY long time to move back in L1.
Then YOU are exactly the sort of T**T we are talking about on this thread!!People who think it's "funny" to inconvenience others are idiots. Overtake at a reasonable speed, then pull over. As soon as you act like a T**T you'll get the other person acting like more of a T**T, then you up the ante again, and so it goes on.
If you were walking down the street, in no hurray, and someone came jogging up behind you, would you deliberately obstruct them? I suspect not, so don't do it in your car either you T**T.......
A 2-lane DC or motorway. I am travelling at 70 with cruise control on in L1 and come up behind a car doing 65ish. I check RH mirror and it's clear and safe to pull out. In carrying out the manoeuvre I may delay some vehicles already in L2 who were travelling faster than me. However I maintain my speed before pulling back into L1 with no great delay.
The Highway Code says:
Multi-lane carriageways (133 to 143)
Lane discipline
Rule 133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.
Not:
Judge whether the car approaching in Lane 2 can slow sufficiently to avoid a collision and pull out
Edited by jamieduff1981 on Tuesday 16th February 13:46
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