Overtaking before the vehicle in front has pulled in

[cheeky]

oyster said:

Max_Torque said:

MrBarry123 said:

If I'm travelling at a reasonable speed and I have some numpty plant themselves an inch from my rear bumper because I've slowed them from 71mph to 70mph, I'll often be a child and take a VERY long time to move back in L1.

Then YOU are exactly the sort of T**T we are talking about on this thread!!

People who think it's "funny" to inconvenience others are idiots. Overtake at a reasonable speed, then pull over. As soon as you act like a T**T you'll get the other person acting like more of a T**T, then you up the ante again, and so it goes on.

If you were walking down the street, in no hurray, and someone came jogging up behind you, would you deliberately obstruct them? I suspect not, so don't do it in your car either you T**T.......

What about a similar scenario but without the deliberate childishness?

A 2-lane DC or motorway. I am travelling at 70 with cruise control on in L1 and come up behind a car doing 65ish. I check RH mirror and it's clear and safe to pull out. In carrying out the manoeuvre I may delay some vehicles already in L2 who were travelling faster than me. However I maintain my speed before pulling back into L1 with no great delay.

If you delay vehicles in L2 then it wasn't clear to pull out. You'll have made them brake.

It puzzles me why more people don't drive in a manner designed to inconvenience (or at times endanger) others the least.

In your situation, it would be great either to accelerate for the overtake so as not to inconvenience those in L2, or to have planned far enough in advance of your overtake that you could moderate your speed sufficiently to be able to pull out after the others have passed. Nobody should need to brake. And cruise control is no excuse for failure to plan ahead.

[GregK2]

Max_Torque said:

(BTW, if you can't move a lanes width left (approx 4m), before the car behind has out accelerated you, the car behind is either a Formula 1 car, or you're being tardy.............)

This!

[Pan Pan Pan]

ecs0set said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

dme123 said:

deadslow said:

Yes, but why, these days, when folks are making a simple left turn, do they throw the car over to the right a la racing driver hitting an apex. Stupid.

That's not a "these days" thing, I've puzzled over that for the last 20 years.

It is probably because they are such poor drivers, with poor spatial, and positioning awareness, in the past they have driven across the corner they are trying to negotiate.
Not being able to judge distances or how their vehicle reacts to a steering input means they over compensate by initially turning away from the direction they want to turn in. the only drivers who probably have to do this are articulated hgv drivers. for any `car' driver it is a sign of poor driving technique.
Why do some people drive cars (especially those in small cars) so ponderously, like they are behind the wheel of a 38 ton behemoth, when in fact they are generally behind the wheel of a small agile , nippy vehicle, which can safely change lanes in a couple of seconds at motorway speeds?

Or they're trying to open the view so that they can see further into the road that they are turning into, possibly because the view across the corner is restricted. This can be enough to pick out the pedestrian just around the corner who is stepping out into the road.

As long as they are not blocking another lane, please can you clarify why they shouldn't use the entire width of the lane if the circumstances require?

The problem is the idiots that do this don't stay in the nearside lane, but stray out into the second lane while carrying out this ridiculous method of getting around a corner. Also if they have not seen pedestrians approaching the corner, who may cross the road they are about to enter, and slow the their vehicle accordingly, they should consider whether or not they are safe to drive a vehicle at all.

[deadslow]

Pan Pan Pan said:

ecs0set said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

dme123 said:

deadslow said:

Yes, but why, these days, when folks are making a simple left turn, do they throw the car over to the right a la racing driver hitting an apex. Stupid.

That's not a "these days" thing, I've puzzled over that for the last 20 years.

It is probably because they are such poor drivers, with poor spatial, and positioning awareness, in the past they have driven across the corner they are trying to negotiate.
Not being able to judge distances or how their vehicle reacts to a steering input means they over compensate by initially turning away from the direction they want to turn in. the only drivers who probably have to do this are articulated hgv drivers. for any `car' driver it is a sign of poor driving technique.
Why do some people drive cars (especially those in small cars) so ponderously, like they are behind the wheel of a 38 ton behemoth, when in fact they are generally behind the wheel of a small agile , nippy vehicle, which can safely change lanes in a couple of seconds at motorway speeds?

Or they're trying to open the view so that they can see further into the road that they are turning into, possibly because the view across the corner is restricted. This can be enough to pick out the pedestrian just around the corner who is stepping out into the road.

As long as they are not blocking another lane, please can you clarify why they shouldn't use the entire width of the lane if the circumstances require?

The problem is the idiots that do this don't stay in the nearside lane, but stray out into the second lane while carrying out this ridiculous method of getting around a corner. Also if they have not seen pedestrians approaching the corner, who may cross the road they are about to enter, and slow the their vehicle accordingly, they should consider whether or not they are safe to drive a vehicle at all.

Yes, exactly correct. These clowns veer out to the right when signalling left, often crossing lanes. I do not believe they are exhibiting advanced driving techniques. I believe they are morons.

[Pan Pan Pan]

P.s Why would pedestrians crossing at a corner walk down the road for a distance before crossing? this not only takes them out of the sight of any driver wishing to turn into the road, but more importantly takes away the pedestrians back line of sight to any vehicles wishing to enter the road, and increases the distance they will have to walk to effect a simple road crossing. Of course for any road user be they vehicle driver, cyclist, or pedestrian, the failure of the vehicle user, or cyclist to give a timely signal, will always increase the risk of an accident at a junction.

[Joratk]

GC8 said:

Referring to the outermost lane as the 'fast lane' is a pretty epic mistake, too...

Usually when I'm overtaking I'm going fast. It's just a technicality what the lane is called really. But yeah, so epic!

[jjones]

Joratk said:

Usually when I'm overtaking I'm going fast. It's just a technicality what the lane is called really. But yeah, so epic!

It's worse than epic I'm afraid, it's council, so council in fact if I were to post your faux pas on the 'a bit council' thread you would be declared the pearly King of Blackpool.

[Wills2]

MrBarry123 said:

If I'm travelling at a reasonable speed and I have some numpty plant themselves an inch from my rear bumper because I've slowed them from 71mph to 70mph, I'll often be a child and take a VERY long time to move back in L1.

That's dreadful driving, you need to stop doing it, you'll cause an accident.

[Joratk]

Christ, a bunch of random social climbers might class me as council due to my incorrect naming of a lane on a motorway, how will I go on!

[Wills2]

oyster said:

What about a similar scenario but without the deliberate childishness?

A 2-lane DC or motorway. I am travelling at 70 with cruise control on in L1 and come up behind a car doing 65ish. I check RH mirror and it's clear and safe to pull out. In carrying out the manoeuvre I may delay some vehicles already in L2 who were travelling faster than me. However I maintain my speed before pulling back into L1 with no great delay.

If your over take manoeuvre causes other people to brake then it's bad driving, why can't people understand this?

[lostkiwi]

In order for the idiot who overtakes as the OP commented they must have been inside the 2 second safe distance. Yet once again the PH driving gods are blaming the tttish behaviour on the innocent party.

[Pan Pan Pan]

lostkiwi said:

In order for the idiot who overtakes as the OP commented they must have been inside the 2 second safe distance. Yet once again the PH driving gods are blaming the tttish behaviour on the innocent party.

No. The tailgater and the baulker are BOTH demonstrating equally tttish behavior, and are equally capable of being the causal factor in an accident. Considerate drivers don't do either of these tttish things.

[k-ink]

V8RX7 said:

I have done it because they've been holding me up for miles and then take 20+ seconds to change lane.

I have never had it done to me because unless you are holding someone up, they are in a supercar or you take an age to move in, the situation can't arise.

Absolutely this. Get a move on and pull over old chap

[lostkiwi]

Pan Pan Pan said:

lostkiwi said:

In order for the idiot who overtakes as the OP commented they must have been inside the 2 second safe distance. Yet once again the PH driving gods are blaming the tttish behaviour on the innocent party.

No. The tailgater and the baulker are BOTH demonstrating equally tttish behavior, and are equally capable of being the causal factor in an accident. Considerate drivers don't do either of these tttish things.

How the fk do you figure that one out without seeing it?
The first car passes the slower one then waits for the two second gap to form then pulls in at which point the car behind is already up his arse and passing. How the fk is that tttish behaviour from the first car?

Oh hang on... the first car should never have over taken the slow vehicle. Instead he should have waited for the second car to pass?

Get real.

[Pan Pan Pan]

lostkiwi said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

lostkiwi said:

In order for the idiot who overtakes as the OP commented they must have been inside the 2 second safe distance. Yet once again the PH driving gods are blaming the tttish behaviour on the innocent party.

No. The tailgater and the baulker are BOTH demonstrating equally tttish behavior, and are equally capable of being the causal factor in an accident. Considerate drivers don't do either of these tttish things.

How the fk do you figure that one out without seeing it?
The first car passes the slower one then waits for the two second gap to form then pulls in at which point the car behind is already up his arse and passing. How the fk is that tttish behaviour from the first car?

Oh hang on... the first car should never have over taken the slow vehicle. Instead he should have waited for the second car to pass?

Get real.

Absolutely, If I am in the nearside lane and wish to pull into an outer lane, the first thing I do is check to make sure there are no faster vehicles coming down it, who I could potentially baulk. If there are, and they are they are going faster than me, it means I will only have to pause a second or two until they are past, so that I can make my overtake of a slower vehicle in the nearside lane in safety.
Looks like you have never heard of Mirror, signal, maneuver. Or are you one of those who just pulls out from a lane, or a junction regardless of whether another vehicle is coming?

[lostkiwi]

Pan Pan Pan said:

lostkiwi said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

lostkiwi said:

In order for the idiot who overtakes as the OP commented they must have been inside the 2 second safe distance. Yet once again the PH driving gods are blaming the tttish behaviour on the innocent party.

No. The tailgater and the baulker are BOTH demonstrating equally tttish behavior, and are equally capable of being the causal factor in an accident. Considerate drivers don't do either of these tttish things.

How the fk do you figure that one out without seeing it?
The first car passes the slower one then waits for the two second gap to form then pulls in at which point the car behind is already up his arse and passing. How the fk is that tttish behaviour from the first car?

Oh hang on... the first car should never have over taken the slow vehicle. Instead he should have waited for the second car to pass?

Get real.

Absolutely, If I am in the nearside lane and wish to pull into an outer lane, the first thing I do is check to make sure there are no faster vehicles coming down it, who I could potentially baulk. If there are, and they are they are going faster than me, it means I will only have to pause a second or two until they are past, so that I can make my overtake of a slower vehicle in the nearside lane in safety.
Looks like you have never heard of Mirror, signal, maneuver. Or are you one of those who just pulls out from a lane, or a junction regardless of whether another vehicle is coming?

Are you always so simple minded or just when you get behind the wheel or a keyboard?
Not everyone on the road blasts along at light speed (and if they do should be prepared for people who may pull out in traffic - there are times and places for people to drive like tts and the public highway is not one of them). Not every other user on the road is quite a driving god in the same way as the average PHer would seemn to be.

So... Queue of cars going a bit slow. Road opens out into dual carriageway and car A pulls into right lane as it forms in order to overtake. There is therefore no other car blasting up behind to allow past so no question of waiting. After all, the car behind (Car B) is in the same queue going the same speed.
Car A get to the head of the queue in the overtaking lane and waits for a safe gap before pulling in at which point CarB is already trying to overtake eevn before Car A has moved over.
Now, just remind me as maybe I'm a bit hard of understanding about what your point is... Just what has Car A done wrong here? I can't see anything at all. Yet Car B has effectively tailgated to get to the point of passing before Car A pulls in.

What is wrong with Car B waiting 2 seconds till the road ahead is clear...?