Jerk in a Merc (Reg T9 TSK) has a dispute with cyclist
Discussion
freshkid said:
No I don't agree he shouldn't have attempted it. Its up to him he's not breaking any laws. Maybe in hindsight he wouldn't have, but it didn't look like a totally unreasonable action from what little I can see of the conditions in that video.
except that he is... it's been established that the speed limit there is 20mph AND APPLIES TO CYCLISTS TOO (just in case you missed it being mentioned earlier, apparently the byelaw specifically states cyclists are not exempt). irocfan said:
freshkid said:
No I don't agree he shouldn't have attempted it. Its up to him he's not breaking any laws. Maybe in hindsight he wouldn't have, but it didn't look like a totally unreasonable action from what little I can see of the conditions in that video.
except that he is... it's been established that the speed limit there is 20mph AND APPLIES TO CYCLISTS TOO (just in case you missed it being mentioned earlier, apparently the byelaw specifically states cyclists are not exempt). daniel1920 said:
OP is blocked by work, must be full of tits
The video wasn't but most people's avatars were.nickfrog said:
powerstroke said:
I can see the appeal of cycling, they are the only road users who can do as they like and if someing goes wrong its always someone elses fault ...
Yes all cyclists are like that and no other human beings.The problem is though, there are cyclists who post videos themselves where they're willfully confrontational and cyclists who always blame the motorists in every near miss and accident they have.
We always reference Uphillfreewheeler but he's always a classic case. In one video he's hammering down a hill at a speed he admits is in excess of the 30mph limit and someone nearly pulls out in front of him but sees him at the last second and waits. Uphillfreewheeler and his cycling mates blame the motorist as they're at pains to point out cyclists don't have to abide by the speed limit. They won't have it that, legality aside, they still need to cycle at a speed that allows others to see them coming and react.
In another video Uphillfreewheeler pulls out in front of someone else and it's still the motorist's fault for going too fast, despite the fact you can see the approaching car early on and Uphillfreewheeler fails to slow or look properly at the junction.
Our exposure to the opinions of cyclists is those who force their way into our consciousness and those cyclists always stick up for each other in the face of all evidence and reason.
Over on the s
t Driving Caught On Camera thread everyone is in agreement that people like Angry Dashcamman and that Welsh bloke are idiots. We can agree the driver in this video is a bit of an idiot and didn't need to behave the way he did. We don't all universally defend all idiocy in the face of reason and common sense. The good cyclists don't impede on us so we don't tend to notice them.
We all make mistakes and misjudgments but what really took things too far was this cyclist shouting abuse at the motorist and calling him a f
ker. After all, most videos on YouTube posted by angry cyclists are showing motorists taking risks to pass them. We all have to be patient when caught behind traffic going more slowly than we want to.Edited by Blakewater on Wednesday 17th February 17:56
JagBox said:
As someone who used to
live in Richmond and regularly cycled around the park, there is a speed limit that does apply to cyclist. However it is ignored and some cyclist treat the park like a race track as they try to better their PB or "win" a segment on Strava. I've seen some terrible riding there, I'm surprised there are not more accidents.
As for bikes not having speedos, most serious bikers will have a Garmin or some other device which will tell them exactly how fast they are going.
live in Richmond and regularly cycled around the park, there is a speed limit that does apply to cyclist. However it is ignored and some cyclist treat the park like a race track as they try to better their PB or "win" a segment on Strava. I've seen some terrible riding there, I'm surprised there are not more accidents.
As for bikes not having speedos, most serious bikers will have a Garmin or some other device which will tell them exactly how fast they are going.
Were you a dancer?
Kawasicki said:
saaby93 said:
Kawasicki said:
Just to clarify...speed limits do not apply to cyclists or pedestrians.
Or has the law changed recently?
You can see it's typically no but depends on bylaws.Or has the law changed recently?
There are other issues with this thread
There was a skateboard video a year ago back ( Bristol?) where they managed to set off a standard speed camera (30mph)
Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 16th February 19:18
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/11844876.Cyclist...
DoubleD said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleD said:
freshkid said:
It is scary to see how many people regard closing a gap on a vulnerable cyclist as an ok thing to do. You can argue the rights and wrongs as long as you like but SURELY it's never ok to deliberately put someone in physical danger.
Do you agree though that the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the maneuver in the first place?DonkeyApple said:
DoubleD said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleD said:
freshkid said:
It is scary to see how many people regard closing a gap on a vulnerable cyclist as an ok thing to do. You can argue the rights and wrongs as long as you like but SURELY it's never ok to deliberately put someone in physical danger.
Do you agree though that the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the maneuver in the first place?In this case the cyclist should have dropped back until he could execute the overtake again this time expecting the car to speed up.
nickfrog said:
powerstroke said:
I can see the appeal of cycling, they are the only road users who can do as they like and if someing goes wrong its always someone elses fault ...
Yes all cyclists are like that and no other human beings.ZX10R NIN said:
People shut the gaps on people all the time whether it's a car/motorbike/cyclist overtaking a car/cyclist if someone want to be bad minded they will, but the onus is on the person overtaking not the person they're passing.
In this case the cyclist should have dropped back until he could execute the overtake again this time expecting the car to speed up.
There are many things the cyclist should have done. However none are relevant to whether it is acceptable or right for a driver to close a gap on a fool. It takes a stupid/dangerous situation and escalates it and that is absolutely moronic. In this case the cyclist should have dropped back until he could execute the overtake again this time expecting the car to speed up.
The driver is not judge dredd or judge judy. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for a driver to close a gap in an overtaker regardless of how moronic the manoeuvre is. In fact it is all too obvious that the more moronic the manoevre the more dangerous the act of blocking becomes.
That's why it is genuinely irrelevant what the cyclist has done, what laws have been broken, what is right or wrong. The sole onus of the Merc driver is to not only not exacerbate the cluster f
k that is looming but to act in the correct way to defuse and prevent it. That is what being a civilised and intelligent human is about. The Merc driver is a small minded cretin and 100% in the wrong. And so is the cyclist. DoubleD said:
The Mercedes driver shouldn't have closed the gap, but the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the overtake. Also when the overtake was going wrong, the cyclist should of used some intelligence, braked and slotted back in behind.
9 pages in.....we're way past the time for sensible comments like thatberlintaxi said:
Ancient see dash cam thread 1DonkeyApple said:
There are many things the cyclist should have done. However none are relevant to whether it is acceptable or right for a driver to close a gap on a fool. It takes a stupid/dangerous situation and escalates it and that is absolutely moronic.
The driver is not judge dredd or judge judy. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for a driver to close a gap in an overtaker regardless of how moronic the manoeuvre is. In fact it is all too obvious that the more moronic the manoevre the more dangerous the act of blocking becomes.
That's why it is genuinely irrelevant what the cyclist has done, what laws have been broken, what is right or wrong. The sole onus of the Merc driver is to not only not exacerbate the cluster fk that is looming but to act in the correct way to defuse and prevent it. That is what being a civilised and intelligent human is about. The Merc driver is a small minded cretin and 100% in the wrong. And so is the cyclist.
they can't both be 100% in the wrong The driver is not judge dredd or judge judy. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for a driver to close a gap in an overtaker regardless of how moronic the manoeuvre is. In fact it is all too obvious that the more moronic the manoevre the more dangerous the act of blocking becomes.
That's why it is genuinely irrelevant what the cyclist has done, what laws have been broken, what is right or wrong. The sole onus of the Merc driver is to not only not exacerbate the cluster f
k that is looming but to act in the correct way to defuse and prevent it. That is what being a civilised and intelligent human is about. The Merc driver is a small minded cretin and 100% in the wrong. And so is the cyclist.seriously though I think that most normal people would agree that both parties were f
ktardsOf course they can both be 100% wrong. Just cos the bloke next to you is a 100% wrong doesnt prevent you also being similarly wrong
If the video is taken down and all we have is this photo are we all doing it from memory now?
With the traffic travelling along like that the only way someone is going to win there at overtaking is if they force back the vehicle being overtaken.
So the cyclist opens with a score of 100% wrong
Whats not clear is how far he gets before he should decide to drop back because of the approaching car
Its also not clear that the Merc has seen him overtaking or is doing anything other than pootling along behind the car in front. Anyone grabbed any photos?
If the car sees the cyclist and tries to prevent the overtake completing that's also 100% wrong
otherwise it isnt
V8LM said:
"As I approach he’s leaving at least a cars length between him and the car in front. However as I start to overtake he closes the gap between himself and the car in front leaving me to face an oncoming car (Honda LD63 PJJ) head-on with nowhere to go"
So one car's length between two cars is enough for cyclists to jump into now is it? Good to hear.
So one car's length between two cars is enough for cyclists to jump into now is it? Good to hear.
If the video is taken down and all we have is this photo are we all doing it from memory now?
With the traffic travelling along like that the only way someone is going to win there at overtaking is if they force back the vehicle being overtaken.
So the cyclist opens with a score of 100% wrong
Whats not clear is how far he gets before he should decide to drop back because of the approaching car
Its also not clear that the Merc has seen him overtaking or is doing anything other than pootling along behind the car in front. Anyone grabbed any photos?
If the car sees the cyclist and tries to prevent the overtake completing that's also 100% wrong
otherwise it isnt
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