Someone Dented my P&J and Drove Off
Discussion
Klippie said:
If they don't fix your car wait a few weeks and take a bat to theirs, hit it around the top of the windscreen where it'll be very expensive to repair...
s.
These type of people deserve every type of bad things to happen to them I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Read the thread a bit more carefully. The OP isn't even sure who damaged his car. He has a suspicion but no more.s.These type of people deserve every type of bad things to happen to them I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
rohrl said:
Klippie said:
If they don't fix your car wait a few weeks and take a bat to theirs, hit it around the top of the windscreen where it'll be very expensive to repair...s.
These type of people deserve every type of bad things to happen to them I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Read the thread a bit more carefully. The OP isn't even sure who damaged his car. He has a suspicion but no more.s.These type of people deserve every type of bad things to happen to them I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Klippie said:
If they don't fix your car wait a few weeks and take a bat to theirs, hit it around the top of the windscreen where it'll be very expensive to repair...s.
These type of people deserve every type of bad things to happen to them I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Only a complete retard would cause criminal damage on the basis of ' your towbar is the same height as my dent's.These type of people deserve every type of bad things to happen to them I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Thanks for the useful and not so useful, but entertaining suggestions.
I have a VRN, mane and model from a drive past tonight and policy info from the MID. The car is taxed MOT'd and insured.
I will speak to them tomorrow. The worst that could happen in that the deny all knowledge in which case I'm no worse off.
I have a VRN, mane and model from a drive past tonight and policy info from the MID. The car is taxed MOT'd and insured.
I will speak to them tomorrow. The worst that could happen in that the deny all knowledge in which case I'm no worse off.
Thread update time.
I paid the owner of the car a visit and told him I believed his car was reversed in to my car at the stated time and presented him with pictures of the damage including a height measurement of the dent and how that compares exactly with the height of his tow ball which had a cover with a shiny polished area on the rear most side.
He responded by stating his wife backed the car off the drive that morning but came in to the house asking his help as she couldn't negotiate the parked cars in the street. He also stated that he then drove the car away to run the errand his wife was intending to run.
Below is the email traffic between the owner of the suspect car and myself. Chronologically earliest on the top.
On 22 Feb 2016, at 20:54, car owner wrote:
Hi Steven
We are sorting this in good faith despite struggling to afford to do so, despite there being no guarantees of who hit your car and despite your car being parked in a residents permit only zone.
Be assured that you can just knock on my door if you have any issues.
Please see below original message.
Hi Steven
My wife thinks it is possible that she has hit your car so it looks like I am probably going to have to cover the cost of the repair of the panel.
If you can send me the photo of the damage I will make some enquiries.
Kind regards
Car owner
On 24 Feb 2016, at 20:22, car owner wrote:
Hello
The body shop requires a zoomed out image of the damaged panel.
If you can send this and put your reg on the email we will have a clear idea of cost.
Car Owner
On 22 Feb 2016 20:57, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
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Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Feb 2016 20:58, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Picture attached
The car is a 1990 BMW M3 Sport Evolution.
From: car owner
Sent: 24 February 2016 21:12
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Re: Car
Yes its a zoomed out image of the damaged panel he needs. If I can get that off you at the weekend we'll take it from there.
On 28 Feb 2016 21:10, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Some more pics for you.
Which body shop are you talking to?
Steve
From: car owner
Sent: 29 February 2016 08:27
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: RE: Car
Was talking to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX car repairs. These pics will now enable them to give me a price .
From: car owner
Sent: 01 March 2016 16:10
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Car Repair
Hi Steven
I have spoken to the bodyshop and showed him your photos.
He informs me that the cost of repair will be £300.
This is a very large sum for us to cover and as my wife is not completely sure she is responsible, and with the lack of witnesses, we can never be sure, as a gesture of goodwill on my part I am willing cover half of the cost.
If you can get back to me, we can get this sorted asap.
Regards
So, although they haven't stated "yes it was me", there is a tacit admission in the first email and it is implied that they have some responsibility it that they are offering to pay 50/50.
Incidentally, IMO the wing needs replacing along with the broken wheel arch liner.
I paid the owner of the car a visit and told him I believed his car was reversed in to my car at the stated time and presented him with pictures of the damage including a height measurement of the dent and how that compares exactly with the height of his tow ball which had a cover with a shiny polished area on the rear most side.
He responded by stating his wife backed the car off the drive that morning but came in to the house asking his help as she couldn't negotiate the parked cars in the street. He also stated that he then drove the car away to run the errand his wife was intending to run.
Below is the email traffic between the owner of the suspect car and myself. Chronologically earliest on the top.
On 22 Feb 2016, at 20:54, car owner wrote:
Hi Steven
We are sorting this in good faith despite struggling to afford to do so, despite there being no guarantees of who hit your car and despite your car being parked in a residents permit only zone.
Be assured that you can just knock on my door if you have any issues.
Please see below original message.
Hi Steven
My wife thinks it is possible that she has hit your car so it looks like I am probably going to have to cover the cost of the repair of the panel.
If you can send me the photo of the damage I will make some enquiries.
Kind regards
Car owner
On 24 Feb 2016, at 20:22, car owner wrote:
Hello
The body shop requires a zoomed out image of the damaged panel.
If you can send this and put your reg on the email we will have a clear idea of cost.
Car Owner
On 22 Feb 2016 20:57, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
<image1.JPG>
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Feb 2016 20:58, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Picture attached
The car is a 1990 BMW M3 Sport Evolution.
From: car owner
Sent: 24 February 2016 21:12
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Re: Car
Yes its a zoomed out image of the damaged panel he needs. If I can get that off you at the weekend we'll take it from there.
On 28 Feb 2016 21:10, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Some more pics for you.
Which body shop are you talking to?
Steve
From: car owner
Sent: 29 February 2016 08:27
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: RE: Car
Was talking to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX car repairs. These pics will now enable them to give me a price .
From: car owner
Sent: 01 March 2016 16:10
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Car Repair
Hi Steven
I have spoken to the bodyshop and showed him your photos.
He informs me that the cost of repair will be £300.
This is a very large sum for us to cover and as my wife is not completely sure she is responsible, and with the lack of witnesses, we can never be sure, as a gesture of goodwill on my part I am willing cover half of the cost.
If you can get back to me, we can get this sorted asap.
Regards
So, although they haven't stated "yes it was me", there is a tacit admission in the first email and it is implied that they have some responsibility it that they are offering to pay 50/50.
Incidentally, IMO the wing needs replacing along with the broken wheel arch liner.
stevesingo said:
Thread update time.
I paid the owner of the car a visit and told him I believed his car was reversed in to my car at the stated time and presented him with pictures of the damage including a height measurement of the dent and how that compares exactly with the height of his tow ball which had a cover with a shiny polished area on the rear most side.
He responded by stating his wife backed the car off the drive that morning but came in to the house asking his help as she couldn't negotiate the parked cars in the street. He also stated that he then drove the car away to run the errand his wife was intending to run.
Below is the email traffic between the owner of the suspect car and myself. Chronologically earliest on the top.
On 22 Feb 2016, at 20:54, car owner wrote:
Hi Steven
We are sorting this in good faith despite struggling to afford to do so, despite there being no guarantees of who hit your car and despite your car being parked in a residents permit only zone.
Be assured that you can just knock on my door if you have any issues.
Please see below original message.
Hi Steven
My wife thinks it is possible that she has hit your car so it looks like I am probably going to have to cover the cost of the repair of the panel.
If you can send me the photo of the damage I will make some enquiries.
Kind regards
Car owner
On 24 Feb 2016, at 20:22, car owner wrote:
Hello
The body shop requires a zoomed out image of the damaged panel.
If you can send this and put your reg on the email we will have a clear idea of cost.
Car Owner
On 22 Feb 2016 20:57, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
<image1.JPG>
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Feb 2016 20:58, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Picture attached
The car is a 1990 BMW M3 Sport Evolution.
From: car owner
Sent: 24 February 2016 21:12
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Re: Car
Yes its a zoomed out image of the damaged panel he needs. If I can get that off you at the weekend we'll take it from there.
On 28 Feb 2016 21:10, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Some more pics for you.
Which body shop are you talking to?
Steve
From: car owner
Sent: 29 February 2016 08:27
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: RE: Car
Was talking to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX car repairs. These pics will now enable them to give me a price .
From: car owner
Sent: 01 March 2016 16:10
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Car Repair
Hi Steven
I have spoken to the bodyshop and showed him your photos.
He informs me that the cost of repair will be £300.
This is a very large sum for us to cover and as my wife is not completely sure she is responsible, and with the lack of witnesses, we can never be sure, as a gesture of goodwill on my part I am willing cover half of the cost.
If you can get back to me, we can get this sorted asap.
Regards
So, although they haven't stated "yes it was me", there is a tacit admission in the first email and it is implied that they have some responsibility it that they are offering to pay 50/50.
Incidentally, IMO the wing needs replacing along with the broken wheel arch liner.
I don't think you can buy replacement wings for e30 M3's can you? I thought they were hand made by panel beaters.I paid the owner of the car a visit and told him I believed his car was reversed in to my car at the stated time and presented him with pictures of the damage including a height measurement of the dent and how that compares exactly with the height of his tow ball which had a cover with a shiny polished area on the rear most side.
He responded by stating his wife backed the car off the drive that morning but came in to the house asking his help as she couldn't negotiate the parked cars in the street. He also stated that he then drove the car away to run the errand his wife was intending to run.
Below is the email traffic between the owner of the suspect car and myself. Chronologically earliest on the top.
On 22 Feb 2016, at 20:54, car owner wrote:
Hi Steven
We are sorting this in good faith despite struggling to afford to do so, despite there being no guarantees of who hit your car and despite your car being parked in a residents permit only zone.
Be assured that you can just knock on my door if you have any issues.
Please see below original message.
Hi Steven
My wife thinks it is possible that she has hit your car so it looks like I am probably going to have to cover the cost of the repair of the panel.
If you can send me the photo of the damage I will make some enquiries.
Kind regards
Car owner
On 24 Feb 2016, at 20:22, car owner wrote:
Hello
The body shop requires a zoomed out image of the damaged panel.
If you can send this and put your reg on the email we will have a clear idea of cost.
Car Owner
On 22 Feb 2016 20:57, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
<image1.JPG>
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Feb 2016 20:58, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Picture attached
The car is a 1990 BMW M3 Sport Evolution.
From: car owner
Sent: 24 February 2016 21:12
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Re: Car
Yes its a zoomed out image of the damaged panel he needs. If I can get that off you at the weekend we'll take it from there.
On 28 Feb 2016 21:10, "Steven Singleton" wrote:
Sir,
Some more pics for you.
Which body shop are you talking to?
Steve
From: car owner
Sent: 29 February 2016 08:27
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: RE: Car
Was talking to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX car repairs. These pics will now enable them to give me a price .
From: car owner
Sent: 01 March 2016 16:10
To: Steven Singleton
Subject: Car Repair
Hi Steven
I have spoken to the bodyshop and showed him your photos.
He informs me that the cost of repair will be £300.
This is a very large sum for us to cover and as my wife is not completely sure she is responsible, and with the lack of witnesses, we can never be sure, as a gesture of goodwill on my part I am willing cover half of the cost.
If you can get back to me, we can get this sorted asap.
Regards
So, although they haven't stated "yes it was me", there is a tacit admission in the first email and it is implied that they have some responsibility it that they are offering to pay 50/50.
Incidentally, IMO the wing needs replacing along with the broken wheel arch liner.
If you can buy them they are likely to be expensive to say the least.
I think a 50% contribution is fair enough given you have no witness. Just get it repaired and take it on the chin
stevesingo said:
Incidentally, IMO the wing needs replacing along with the broken wheel arch liner.
Well that's going to cost a lot more than £300.Sorry if I'm missing something here, but why aren't you just putting this through your insurance and letting them battle it out with the 3rd party?
Arent they metal factory flared arches on those and probably a small fortune if you can find one?
Edit :- answer provided whilst typing.
Based on what i have read id put it to your insurers as above. Tough pill to swallow for them if money is tight
Edit :- answer provided whilst typing.
Based on what i have read id put it to your insurers as above. Tough pill to swallow for them if money is tight
Edited by shelf1985 on Tuesday 1st March 21:46
Because I don't have a witness. I approached them to see if they would admit liability and then offer to go the insurance route. I don't think I have a cast iron admission of liability, and if I approach my insurance, I don't think it will fall in my favour and I'll be left with an excess to pay and loss of no-claims.
shelf1985 said:
Tough pill to swallow for them if money is tight
Perhaps they should have been a bit more careful when reversing off their drive then?I agree though - insurance is unlikely to go better than 50/50 so £150 is better than a kick in the teeth. The question is, will £300 at this body shop produce a decent result? Or will it be a poor blow over in the wrong shade?
I actually hit the wrong button and submitted that statement before i finished, was going to add ... " But they did the damage and its on them to sort it" or something similar before i got clumsy with the iphone, completely agree!
Could you try insurance first and if that yields nothing then just take the £150 or negotiate slightly more and put it down to experience without having to follow it through with insurers if they dont admit it? Then fix it somewhere on your terms, risky strategy keeping face with them perhaps
Could you try insurance first and if that yields nothing then just take the £150 or negotiate slightly more and put it down to experience without having to follow it through with insurers if they dont admit it? Then fix it somewhere on your terms, risky strategy keeping face with them perhaps
Edited by shelf1985 on Tuesday 1st March 21:56
I actually hit the wrong button and submitted that statement before i finished, was going to add ... " But they did the damage and its on them to sort it" or something similar before i got clumsy with the iphone, completely agree!
Could you try insurance first and if that yields nothing then just take the £150 or negotiate slightly more and put it down to experience without having to follow it through with insurers if they dont admit it? Then fix it somewhere on your terms, risky strategy keeping face with them perhaps
Could you try insurance first and if that yields nothing then just take the £150 or negotiate slightly more and put it down to experience without having to follow it through with insurers if they dont admit it? Then fix it somewhere on your terms, risky strategy keeping face with them perhaps
Edited by shelf1985 on Tuesday 1st March 22:04
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