RE: Toyota GT86: PH Fleet
Discussion
Squadrone Rosso said:
Interestingly, the US tests clock it as c6.5secs to 60, even running on the water they call premium petrol (91 ron).
The USA rating of 91 isn't RON, it's RON (research Octane Number) and MON (Motor Octane Number) added together then divided by 2, also known as the AKI number. MON is a harder test and produces lower numbersUS 91 is equal to our 95
I'm more interested in how it feels, how rewarding the drive is myself.
The engine feels revvy, never feels underpowered IMO and the chassis is just so much fun.
People who poo-poo it because of stats are just missing out IMO. It's the best thing I've owned.
You'll all mourn the loss of such cars when they all go Auto/Turbo.
The engine feels revvy, never feels underpowered IMO and the chassis is just so much fun.
People who poo-poo it because of stats are just missing out IMO. It's the best thing I've owned.
You'll all mourn the loss of such cars when they all go Auto/Turbo.
AH33 said:
Also, it's the way it looks. It's writing cheques it's ass cant cash.
ETA - the EP3 will also do the same economy figures as the 86 and costs the same to tax.
The complaint that it looks too good is rather odd. Do you think it would be better received if it looked boring? ETA - the EP3 will also do the same economy figures as the 86 and costs the same to tax.
Edited by AH33 on Thursday 10th March 10:32
Also, the Civic Type R doesn't come close to the economy figures of the 86. In real world driving the EP3 is about 10MPG off.
Swordman said:
AH33 said:
Also, it's the way it looks. It's writing cheques it's ass cant cash.
The complaint that it looks too good is rather odd. Do you think it would be better received if it looked boring? Edited by AH33 on Thursday 10th March 10:32
nickfrog said:
I couldn't care less about stats, 0-60 etc... I care about how the engine feels behind the wheel. And for me, the GT86 is probably the worst road performance engine I have driven, but it all depends on what you're used to. It's nowhere near 200hp btw.
you clearly don't like it, fair enough.I wouldn't suggest the engine as a reason to buy, for sure. However, it makes 200 at around 7k and makes a good noise after 5k.
At 2 - 4k it lacks torque, power and sounds harsh. It needs driving.
So, If you're on it, it's much sweeter. For a daily, it's rougher and you'd need to remind yourself of why you like it, if you do!
For all its faults it's a sweet driving car that's so much better, imo, than most cars on here that generate threads of 20 plus pages. The hot hatch thing doesn't do it for me, unless it's doubling up a a utility vehicle with a lot of poke on the side. I see a chassis as an essentially mechanical entity not software controlled.
CABC said:
you clearly don't like it, fair enough.
I wouldn't suggest the engine as a reason to buy, for sure. However, it makes 200 at around 7k and makes a good noise after 5k.
At 2 - 4k it lacks torque, power and sounds harsh. It needs driving.
So, If you're on it, it's much sweeter. For a daily, it's rougher and you'd need to remind yourself of why you like it, if you do!
For all its faults it's a sweet driving car that's so much better, imo, than most cars on here that generate threads of 20 plus pages. The hot hatch thing doesn't do it for me, unless it's doubling up a a utility vehicle with a lot of poke on the side. I see a chassis as an essentially mechanical entity not software controlled.
I wouldn't suggest the engine as a reason to buy, for sure. However, it makes 200 at around 7k and makes a good noise after 5k.
At 2 - 4k it lacks torque, power and sounds harsh. It needs driving.
So, If you're on it, it's much sweeter. For a daily, it's rougher and you'd need to remind yourself of why you like it, if you do!
For all its faults it's a sweet driving car that's so much better, imo, than most cars on here that generate threads of 20 plus pages. The hot hatch thing doesn't do it for me, unless it's doubling up a a utility vehicle with a lot of poke on the side. I see a chassis as an essentially mechanical entity not software controlled.
I love hot hatches, but I chose this over all of them available.
CABC said:
nickfrog said:
I couldn't care less about stats, 0-60 etc... I care about how the engine feels behind the wheel. And for me, the GT86 is probably the worst road performance engine I have driven, but it all depends on what you're used to. It's nowhere near 200hp btw.
you clearly don't like it, fair enough.I wouldn't suggest the engine as a reason to buy, for sure. However, it makes 200 at around 7k and makes a good noise after 5k.
At 2 - 4k it lacks torque, power and sounds harsh. It needs driving.
So, If you're on it, it's much sweeter. For a daily, it's rougher and you'd need to remind yourself of why you like it, if you do!
For all its faults it's a sweet driving car that's so much better, imo, than most cars on here that generate threads of 20 plus pages. The hot hatch thing doesn't do it for me, unless it's doubling up a a utility vehicle with a lot of poke on the side. I see a chassis as an essentially mechanical entity not software controlled.
CABC said:
Swordman said:
AH33 said:
Also, it's the way it looks. It's writing cheques it's ass cant cash.
The complaint that it looks too good is rather odd. Do you think it would be better received if it looked boring? .
Maybe if the Toyota flavour had been more AE86 hatchbacky and the Subaru version looked like it does but with more power then it'd make more sense...
Edited by vsonix on Thursday 10th March 19:37
It will not convince the people who don't like the car. If however you like it the way it comes then you will love an exhaust upgrade. If it adds 6% at the top then it adds 15% in the middle, this is without an ECU tune. There is no change of note at 5.5K rpm, by then it has been on song since 4K. You have no feeling about staying away from 3-4K, I often overtake in 6th, it could now pull another gear. I was looking for a deep and satisfying note and maybe a performance improvement on paper. I got more than I expected. Exhaust is a resonated Milltek primary cat back. Enjoy.
PeterRedGT86 said:
It will not convince the people who don't like the car. If however you like it the way it comes then you will love an exhaust upgrade. If it adds 6% at the top then it adds 15% in the middle, this is without an ECU tune. There is no change of note at 5.5K rpm, by then it has been on song since 4K. You have no feeling about staying away from 3-4K, I often overtake in 6th, it could now pull another gear. I was looking for a deep and satisfying note and maybe a performance improvement on paper. I got more than I expected. Exhaust is a resonated Milltek primary cat back. Enjoy.
Something I'll bare in mind in the future for sure! Thanks!Custard Pie said:
PeterRedGT86,
Thanks for that. I am considering an exhaust upgrade myself but am not sure whether to go for resonated or non resonated. Do you have experience of both types and did you also go for an air filter upgrade to achieve these results?
cheers!
I have no experience with a non resonated system. Others have written that resonated is too quiet. I like it this way. I put some sound deadening material in the boot and removed the sound pipe entirely. It does not drone on a trip but certainly is loud enough. Great for matching down changes. I had the car checked on a dyno to make sure the exhaust did not upset the AFR, it did not. Removal of the air filter gave no more power. I have a Mishimoto silone tube from filter box to throttle body. Thanks for that. I am considering an exhaust upgrade myself but am not sure whether to go for resonated or non resonated. Do you have experience of both types and did you also go for an air filter upgrade to achieve these results?
cheers!
MustardCutter said:
Hi. Would you chose the primo if you were spending your own money on the car, or do you think the normal spec is worth the extra? If it were me, I personally don't like the spoiler and would change wheels and tyres anyway and would prefer not to have keyless entry for security reasons. What are the drawbacks to the Primo in your opinion? Thanks.
Hello!Apologies for the delay. I prefer the Primo actually, because the cost saving is significant, I don't need the additional equipment and prefer it without the spoiler. It's annoying that the Primo doesn't have a digital speedo and the DRLs aren't as nice but they're not annoying enough to spend more money! If you need cruise control or things like that then obviously get a normal GT86, but my money would be on a Primo and put the saving towards to wheels and tyres.
Matt
PeterRedGT86 said:
I have no experience with a non resonated system. Others have written that resonated is too quiet. I like it this way. I put some sound deadening material in the boot and removed the sound pipe entirely. It does not drone on a trip but certainly is loud enough. Great for matching down changes. I had the car checked on a dyno to make sure the exhaust did not upset the AFR, it did not. Removal of the air filter gave no more power. I have a Mishimoto silone tube from filter box to throttle body.
Thanks for the information, appreciate it. I think I will go down the same path myself. I also like the idea of removing the sound pipe, can't really see the point of it. Seems a bit Play Station to me.
Real world mpg, I averaged 36mpg over my ownership - ok, I didn't take it for a track day or anything, but it is just one of those cars that brings a smile to your face every time you get into it. As the article says, motoring as it was and probably should be. And it looks good next to a Jag XK as well!
Matt Bird said:
Hello!
Apologies for the delay. I prefer the Primo actually, because the cost saving is significant, I don't need the additional equipment and prefer it without the spoiler. It's annoying that the Primo doesn't have a digital speedo and the DRLs aren't as nice but they're not annoying enough to spend more money! If you need cruise control or things like that then obviously get a normal GT86, but my money would be on a Primo and put the saving towards to wheels and tyres.
Matt
Thanks for the response. The Toyota site isn't exactly clear when it comes to what isn't in the primo that comes with the standard version. They don't mention the speedo at all! I think you've confirmed my suspicion that if going new a primo would be best (for me), thanks.Apologies for the delay. I prefer the Primo actually, because the cost saving is significant, I don't need the additional equipment and prefer it without the spoiler. It's annoying that the Primo doesn't have a digital speedo and the DRLs aren't as nice but they're not annoying enough to spend more money! If you need cruise control or things like that then obviously get a normal GT86, but my money would be on a Primo and put the saving towards to wheels and tyres.
Matt
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