RE: Shed Of The Week: Lexus LS430

[M4cruiser]

ottothedog said:

DM9297 said:

ottothedog said:

Great car ....BUT any you even thinking of purchasing if it is in DUDLEY be warned ........If its A seller called LEXUSCHAP.....He is A weapons grade Wa**ker
do your homework
Just a heads up thats all

Extremely curious to know the background to this...

You have access to the net....... do your research... Its their for all to read

Interesting, I did the research and spotted something. Sorry a little off topic, 'cos it's not the car in the OP ad, but shows the mileage ability of these cars. The posts you mention about this trader include a Lexus X861XCD which has an interesting MoT history:
28 June 2010 : 271,533 miles
4 Oct 2011: 118,056 miles!
19 Dec 2012: 87,245 miles!
... and it's now back up to 103,206 miles.

[ottothedog]

M4cruiser said:

ottothedog said:

DM9297 said:

ottothedog said:

Great car ....BUT any you even thinking of purchasing if it is in DUDLEY be warned ........If its A seller called LEXUSCHAP.....He is A weapons grade Wa**ker
do your homework
Just a heads up thats all

Extremely curious to know the background to this...

You have access to the net....... do your research... Its their for all to read

Interesting, I did the research and spotted something. Sorry a little off topic, 'cos it's not the car in the OP ad, but shows the mileage ability of these cars. The posts you mention about this trader include a Lexus X861XCD which has an interesting MoT history:
28 June 2010 : 271,533 miles
4 Oct 2011: 118,056 miles!
19 Dec 2012: 87,245 miles!
... and it's now back up to 103,206 miles.

Sorry i was not being funny.... but i did not now who you were..... you could have been The person in question...lol
The car is on auto trader its merseyside area
Look on on google... his name and lexus uk ls forum even more on their, Clocking, 100% feed back on Ebay, using the same add changing description to avoid commision to Ebay ...most cars have had a timing belt and water pump with receipt..etc etc it goes on.... the worse thing is he gets away with it and EBAY do F**k All

[confused_buyer]

Can't help but think a Mk IV LS400 would be a better bet than an early LS430 in this sort of price range. Better built and less things to go wrong. Apart from the obvious air suspension troubles you can add de-laminating windows, blown subwoofers, audio amps, steering column motors, dodgy O2 sensors, aircon pipes and a few other common LS430 issues the 400 doesn't seem to suffer much from.

Still, at £1000 (or £1500) as is now if it works then it isn't a bad buy.

The LS430 didn't get a 6-speed gearbox or radar cruise until 2004 btw.

Edited by confused_buyer on Friday 25th March 18:48

[confused_buyer]

M4cruiser said:

Interesting, I did the research and spotted something. Sorry a little off topic, 'cos it's not the car in the OP ad, but shows the mileage ability of these cars. The posts you mention about this trader include a Lexus X861XCD which has an interesting MoT history:
28 June 2010 : 271,533 miles
4 Oct 2011: 118,056 miles!
19 Dec 2012: 87,245 miles!
... and it's now back up to 103,206 miles.

They're big cars: maybe it took someone a lot of attempts to back into a parking space?

[ChocolateFrog]

Quhet said:

I wonder how many people under 60 drive these?
Cracking value, but I'm 33 years too young for this one!

I had a LS400 at 23, great for wafting.

[rtz62]

Lacquer peel?
Look at the skies on that and several of the images; their are parallel con-trails in the sky, presumably from airliners...
Lacquer peel.... I larfed and larfed and larfed...

[xRIEx]

Quhet said:

I wonder how many people under 60 drive these?

They stop obsessing over what other people think and get over themselves

[tali1]

0-60 is more mid 6s rather than 5.9.Loads of these where I live.And yes I have seen a lady driving one!

[pSyCoSiS]

Good value for money and a great SOTW.

Earlier generation looks prettier, but it's no doubt a capable luxury wafter.

I'd still have a later model E38 7 Series or a W220 S Class for this sort of money.

[Quhet]

ChocolateFrog said:

Quhet said:

I wonder how many people under 60 drive these?
Cracking value, but I'm 33 years too young for this one!

I had a LS400 at 23, great for wafting.

Funnily enough, I'd be happy to waft about in an LS400, but not in one of these. Can't quite put my finger on why though

[bigfatnick]

ottothedog said:

M4cruiser said:

ottothedog said:

DM9297 said:

ottothedog said:

Great car ....BUT any you even thinking of purchasing if it is in DUDLEY be warned ........If its A seller called LEXUSCHAP.....He is A weapons grade Wa**ker
do your homework
Just a heads up thats all

Extremely curious to know the background to this...

You have access to the net....... do your research... Its their for all to read

Interesting, I did the research and spotted something. Sorry a little off topic, 'cos it's not the car in the OP ad, but shows the mileage ability of these cars. The posts you mention about this trader include a Lexus X861XCD which has an interesting MoT history:
28 June 2010 : 271,533 miles
4 Oct 2011: 118,056 miles!
19 Dec 2012: 87,245 miles!
... and it's now back up to 103,206 miles.

Sorry i was not being funny.... but i did not now who you were..... you could have been The person in question...lol
The car is on auto trader its merseyside area
Look on on google... his name and lexus uk ls forum even more on their, Clocking, 100% feed back on Ebay, using the same add changing description to avoid commision to Ebay ...most cars have had a timing belt and water pump with receipt..etc etc it goes on.... the worse thing is he gets away with it and EBAY do F**k All

I too bought one off that bloke in Dudley. I don't think mine was clocked because I bought it on 170odd k. He lied about the mileage and amount of mot. Starter motor was on the way out and he told me the paint quality was excellent, neglecting to inform me of the masses of laquer peel. However, he told me he bought and sold a few and must have muddled the ads up. I needed a car within a couple of days so I bought it, giving him the benefit of doubt, only found out who he was after buying it. Not that it matters, I sold the car a year later making a loss of £400 and nothing broke during that time, the starter motor steel screeched when I sold it, but nothing changed at all with regards to how it performed. Brilliant cars.

I had an ls460 afterwards which I've just sold to help buy a house and whilst I loved it, it didnt impress me like the ls400 did. If I could buy a low mileage mk4 ls400 with parking sensors and no rust today, I'd hand over good money!

[belleair302]

I had one of these for close to 45,000 miles and was the second owner. In my eyes it was not a wafty as the LS 400, and looked more like an old school last series Ford Granada. Loaded with toys, front seats were not so comfortable and the driving experience was way removed to what was going on outside. They are cheap to run if you know a good specialist and can take a fair beating. LS 460's are a much better car but somewhat more pricey and way more modern. Alloys rot very quickly, but no major electrical or trim problems, parts are easily available and no huge oil consumption. Water pumps are OK, radiators too. Being heavy watch the suspension and tyre wear. Annual geometry checks are vital regardless of mileage. Not a car for twisty roads but for dual carriageways, and long distance cruising, hard to beat. A nightmare in a multi storey carpark....

[big_rob_sydney]

Multi-times LS owner here. Love them.

Just to bring some more information to the discussion. The LS has won the JD Powers quality survey 14 times, and has won the reliability survey the last 4 years in a row. When looking at the stats, Lexus is first, and its daylight second.

I will admit though that they're not easy cars to fall in love with. I came from a string of fast cars, and only bought the first because we needed a family car (big, airbags, etc). After doing the research, and thinking "what am I about to get myself into", I took the plunge. It took a few months, admittedly. But slowly, gradually, I couldnt believe it, I fell for the car. Reviews will rarely give you the full picture, because you wont get the immediate experience in such a short space of time. The car has that "built from granite" feel.

Apart from consumables, nothing has gone wrong. Not even a light bulb. Of course some owners will have had stuff go wrong. It happens. But as a general rule, look at the JD Powers reports from the US; american customers are VERY picky about service, and when they tell you something is good, you can pretty much believe it.

[chunder]

tali1 said:

0-60 is more mid 6s rather than 5.9.Loads of these where I live.And yes I have seen a lady driving one!

I have a GS430, not sure if it is lighter than the LS or geared differently but will easily hit 60 under 6 - genuine 300hp and V8 sound under load, very underated vehicle in my opinion.

[TB303]

xRIEx said:

Quhet said:

I wonder how many people under 60 drive these?

They stop obsessing over what other people think and get over themselves

Too right. Lovely cars. I'm 36 and I enjoy driving mine a lot, and it sits alongside a Ferrari and Porsche.

They ride way better than most modern barges with silly sized wheels, and are not slow or inefficient on a run (30mpg at 75). So quiet it's like sitting in a moving library on a good smooth road.

Dreadful in corners though!

[GreenArrow]

ottothedog said:

Great car ....BUT any you even thinking of purchasing if it is in DUDLEY be warned ........If its A seller called LEXUSCHAP.....He is A weapons grade Wa**ker
do your homework
Just a heads up thats all

Funny you spot this, I have always wondered who "LEXUSCHAP" is. Selling all these ridiculously cheap cars, of late, JAG XJRs which pop up and disappear after a day for £1500...., strangely, he seems to have had no feedback for over a year now...I wouldn't touch him with a barge poll. As the old saying says, "if something seems to good to be true....."

Funny this car should be SOTW. There is a 430 for sale near me, the next cheapest one in the country, I think...£2175. I keep being strangely drawn to it. It looks so sumptuous in the photos and 120,000 miles is nothing for one of these cars....would make a wonderful way to do the 400 mile round trips to Nottingham for rowing comps that the family need to do this summer!!

Edited by GreenArrow on Sunday 27th March 20:59

[tali1]

chunder said:

tali1 said:

0-60 is more mid 6s rather than 5.9.Loads of these where I live.And yes I have seen a lady driving one!

I have a GS430, not sure if it is lighter than the LS or geared differently but will easily hit 60 under 6 - genuine 300hp and V8 sound under load, very underated vehicle in my opinion.

gs 430 Kerb Weight 1695kg 159.31 bhp/ton
ls 430 Kerb weight 1830 kg 151.91 bhp/ton

[Blackpuddin]

tali1 said:

chunder said:

tali1 said:

0-60 is more mid 6s rather than 5.9.Loads of these where I live.And yes I have seen a lady driving one!

I have a GS430, not sure if it is lighter than the LS or geared differently but will easily hit 60 under 6 - genuine 300hp and V8 sound under load, very underated vehicle in my opinion.

gs 430 Kerb Weight 1695kg 159.31 bhp/ton
ls 430 Kerb weight 1830 kg 151.91 bhp/ton

430 is geared differently, lower first ratio.

[magic torch]

ottothedog said:

Great car ....BUT any you even thinking of purchasing if it is in DUDLEY be warned ........If its A seller called LEXUSCHAP.....He is A weapons grade Wa**ker
do your homework
Just a heads up thats all

I dared to ask a question about a car he was selling, his response was " off".

[ottothedog]

magic torch said:

ottothedog said:

Great car ....BUT any you even thinking of purchasing if it is in DUDLEY be warned ........If its A seller called LEXUSCHAP.....He is A weapons grade Wa**ker
do your homework
Just a heads up thats all

I dared to ask a question about a car he was selling, his response was " off".

Yes sadly that seems his approach if you question his vehicles

It is now on ebay for £1500.00...... And it appears Dudley is a Coastal town now from the pics

WA**KER
I have seen it Happen Alot.., people spend good money and trust the advert I know its buyer beware and all..But he is dishonest
Been called to sort out this type of thing alot...I run a security company and we are often asked to help out when people get suckered in.., and then told to get lost when a problem happens

Its a very fine line between demanding money with menaces and convincing some one its in his best interest and future health to give someone their money back....but we are very up front and explain or client services

Edited by ottothedog on Monday 28th March 16:59