RE: Porsche 944 Turbo: PH Heroes
Discussion
A later 250 bhp 944 Turbo was my first Porsche and the only one that wasn't a (rear wheel drive, narrow body,
manual, coupé) 911. Maybe the 220 bhp version is different but my abiding memory is massive turbo lag and having to be very careful about unintended and unwanted oversteer. I'd be much happier peddling a 911 in the wet than a 944 Turbo.
manual, coupé) 911. Maybe the 220 bhp version is different but my abiding memory is massive turbo lag and having to be very careful about unintended and unwanted oversteer. I'd be much happier peddling a 911 in the wet than a 944 Turbo.
MonkeyRacing said:
We're in the same boat, insurance renewal due this week. I've had my 1990 Turbo since 2008 and purchased for £5500. The only similar car I can find (the blue fleabay one) is advertised for 15 grand! That appreciation just about covers restoration costs and 9xx upgrades, result.
Sublime motor cars and definitely more than the sum of its parts.
Mine had been on the same value for 7 years, doubled it this year. £45k is nuts for this car but as suggested perhaps it's to soften opinion up for £25-30k asking prices.Sublime motor cars and definitely more than the sum of its parts.
I was expecting to see the car being for sale at 4Star Classics, the purveyors of 'current market value + at least 25%' cars.
As said previously, it's not a delivery miles car, and the issues over what work might or might not be needed to bring a car up to that standard is somewhat irrelevant, as if you hunt down a car that has had proper maintenance over the years then shocks, springs, bushes and other oily bits would/should have been done.
Another issue with a car at this value is that if you view it based on its mileage, as soon as you start using it then the mileage starts to nudge towards other 944 turbos, and as I would say, it becomes any other 944 turbo.
Now, if you want a low miles example that you will keep and use sparingly, then fair enough, but I'm sure there's physicslly better cars out there, possible concours car from the IPEC etc
I agree with the notion that Autofarm are probably trying to reset the market placing for these, and the sad thing is that the majority of PH'ers find that the cars they have lusted after for years, and which have taken a back seat to other expenses like houses, and children, have moved out of their reach.
I wonder what Autofarm or 4Star Classics would want for a 924 Carrera GT....
As said previously, it's not a delivery miles car, and the issues over what work might or might not be needed to bring a car up to that standard is somewhat irrelevant, as if you hunt down a car that has had proper maintenance over the years then shocks, springs, bushes and other oily bits would/should have been done.
Another issue with a car at this value is that if you view it based on its mileage, as soon as you start using it then the mileage starts to nudge towards other 944 turbos, and as I would say, it becomes any other 944 turbo.
Now, if you want a low miles example that you will keep and use sparingly, then fair enough, but I'm sure there's physicslly better cars out there, possible concours car from the IPEC etc
I agree with the notion that Autofarm are probably trying to reset the market placing for these, and the sad thing is that the majority of PH'ers find that the cars they have lusted after for years, and which have taken a back seat to other expenses like houses, and children, have moved out of their reach.
I wonder what Autofarm or 4Star Classics would want for a 924 Carrera GT....
Autofarm built/restored a 2.8 engined 944 Silver Rose turbo S for a customer a quite few years ago that was featured in a magazine. It was briefly for sale 4 or 5 years ago and I tried to track it down to buy but it disappeared. That kind of car is the ultimate road 944 turbo in my view, and possibly the natural progression if it hadn't had to be pegged back to protect 911 sales.
£45k? Ouch.
Not gonna happen for my money. Plenty of other cars I'd rather look at. Another point is supply and demand. They made thousands of the bloody things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_944
Model Year Production Rest of World US Notes
1985 178 178
1986 10937* 3424 7513 12 S/SE Prototypes, 8 LHD (951), 4 RHD (952)
1987 4955 1546 + 88 CUP 3210 + 11 CUP
1988 4097 ** 1875 + 94 CUP 1874 + 99 CUP in addition, 126 SP Can., 30 CUP Aus.
1989 4103 1333 1385 1385 Can
1990 1251 1107 144
1991 938 † 938
Totals 25245 9331 13982 30 Aus, 1511 Can
With over 25,000 of them built, I fail to see how the supply side of the equation justifies that price. If there were something like a few hundred built, then fine, I would get it. But as it stands, this is a joke.
Still, a fool and his money are easily parted.
Not gonna happen for my money. Plenty of other cars I'd rather look at. Another point is supply and demand. They made thousands of the bloody things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_944
Model Year Production Rest of World US Notes
1985 178 178
1986 10937* 3424 7513 12 S/SE Prototypes, 8 LHD (951), 4 RHD (952)
1987 4955 1546 + 88 CUP 3210 + 11 CUP
1988 4097 ** 1875 + 94 CUP 1874 + 99 CUP in addition, 126 SP Can., 30 CUP Aus.
1989 4103 1333 1385 1385 Can
1990 1251 1107 144
1991 938 † 938
Totals 25245 9331 13982 30 Aus, 1511 Can
With over 25,000 of them built, I fail to see how the supply side of the equation justifies that price. If there were something like a few hundred built, then fine, I would get it. But as it stands, this is a joke.
Still, a fool and his money are easily parted.
I had a late Turbo SE, with the M030 option. It was pretty neutral, and reasonably quick. The ride was definitely more sports car than GT and it was not prone to heavy understeer, even at the limit.
Like others have mentioned, you should test a later car, IMHO with the M030. It drove like a faster, laggier 968 Club Sport.
Like others have mentioned, you should test a later car, IMHO with the M030. It drove like a faster, laggier 968 Club Sport.
MonkeyRacing said:
crostonian said:
These only have four cylinders so are not a real Porsche...... 
These have the engine in the right place and won't make your wife a widow should you lift off in a committed corner.... 15 all?
30-15....
Innowaybored said:
A 944 at a (decent) 911 price?
Someones been drinking the coolaid.
Aren't these a more benign handler and quicker than the expensive older 911s - not to mention a lot cheaperSomeones been drinking the coolaid.
Personally I'd buy an even cheaper 250bhp Turbo with more mileage on - get one half the price of this and not worry about using it. They handle really well - friend has a nice one. Quite practical as well
rtz62 said:
Is that why She Who Must Be Obeyed wants me to have a 911 3.0 turbo?
30-15....
Now this is a difficult one to counter, you've come at a below the belt angle Sir.30-15....
OK so how's about my minty Clubsport suspended 9xx chipped Turbo with dualport wastegate, Bailey dump valve and 18psi of boost giving 320 brake approx for a quarter of the price of a 930?
The misses can have a new kitchen, round the world trip and plenty of Prada with the change.
Disclaimer..... Do not under any circumstances let her read this!
And yet they have a nice looking 993 targa for sale at £44k. I would take that all day long given the choice
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/items/122?back=%2Fsales
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/items/122?back=%2Fsales
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