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Jimmy Recard said:
0a said:
I wonder how bad this is for £3,250. V12 and 100k. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
That's excellent apart from the leaper, US lights and the number platesHow bad could this be?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-JAGUAR-S-TYPE-3-0-V...
Any idea on the SOGA dodging disclaimers? Is that allowed?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-JAGUAR-S-TYPE-3-0-V...
Any idea on the SOGA dodging disclaimers? Is that allowed?
Croutons said:
That is really really nice, all those miles would bother me though, even though it's clearly been looked after, 170k is a fair bit, or am I being daft?Eski1991 said:
Croutons said:
That is really really nice, all those miles would bother me though, even though it's clearly been looked after, 170k is a fair bit, or am I being daft?BrabusMog said:
They've been known to go well over 500,000 km in Sweden - I see much tattier ones than this on a daily basis.
Advisories from October, advert doesn't suggest it's all been done either.rear exhaust rusty/slight leak
rear exhaust poorly supported
underbody fuel lines rusty
power steering rack damp
oil leaks
rear brakes noisey
park brake just met requirements
Only thing mentioned in the advert is the new exhaust.
mccrackenj said:
Interested in yor opinions chaps.
I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
I'd be tempted to do it anyway. If nothing else, regard it as preventative maintenance.I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
In other news, I've spent the week on the Cote d'Azur and saw a remarkable number of MB 190s and 124s; they still look good in the Med sunshine.
Eski1991 said:
How bad could this be?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-JAGUAR-S-TYPE-3-0-V...
Any idea on the SOGA dodging disclaimers? Is that allowed?
Well it isn't the SOGA now it has been updated to something else? But anyway, they are basically trying get customers to sign away any legal rights which isn't allowed and is pretty shifty. Although I imagine legal recourse would be quite limited for a 2002 car sold at a very cheap price to start off with. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-JAGUAR-S-TYPE-3-0-V...
Any idea on the SOGA dodging disclaimers? Is that allowed?
The MOT history / mileage on that car seems a bit suspect to me, just look how grubby the steering wheel is.
VolvoT5 said:
Well it isn't the SOGA now it has been updated to something else? But anyway, they are basically trying get customers to sign away any legal rights which isn't allowed and is pretty shifty. Although I imagine legal recourse would be quite limited for a 2002 car sold at a very cheap price to start off with.
The MOT history / mileage on that car seems a bit suspect to me, just look how grubby the steering wheel is.
The lack of recourse is a given at that age, I was really just wondering if they are allowed to sell everything as spares/repairs?The MOT history / mileage on that car seems a bit suspect to me, just look how grubby the steering wheel is.
The steering wheel does look knackered, the rest of the interior looks fairly well cared for though?
ETA - Just checked the MOT history, 8k on the clock in 2006? I'd agree about that being suspicious.
Edited by Eski1991 on Saturday 23 April 17:25
Eski1991 said:
The lack of recourse is a given at that age, I was really just wondering if they are allowed to sell everything as spares/repairs?
The steering wheel does look knackered, the rest of the interior looks fairly well cared for though?
If the lack of recourse is a given why do they need to display all those dodgy disclaimers. If they are selling a car to a customer with a full new MOT then clearly it is not a trade sell or 'spares or repairs'. The customer is expecting to get a working vehicle at that price.....The steering wheel does look knackered, the rest of the interior looks fairly well cared for though?
The MOT history using the reg number https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/ , the mileage is static for the last year. It has incredibly low mileage on its first MOT in 2006 as well. IDK I am just very cynical. I would want to see what the service history consists of.
Also could just be the light in the pictures but the paintwork looks a bit dull on on one side?
VolvoT5 said:
If the lack of recourse is a given why do they need to display all those dodgy disclaimers. If they are selling a car to a customer with a full new MOT then clearly it is not a trade sell or 'spares or repairs'. The customer is expecting to get a working vehicle at that price.....
The MOT history using the reg number https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/ , the mileage is static for the last year. It has incredibly low mileage on its first MOT in 2006 as well. IDK I am just very cynical. I would want to see what the service history consists of.
Also could just be the light in the pictures but the paintwork looks a bit dull on on one side?
As in it would be a given to me, I wouldn't expect any after care for a few hundred quid. The seller has previous bad feedback for moody MOT certificates, I do have a way of picking the sThe MOT history using the reg number https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/ , the mileage is static for the last year. It has incredibly low mileage on its first MOT in 2006 as well. IDK I am just very cynical. I would want to see what the service history consists of.
Also could just be the light in the pictures but the paintwork looks a bit dull on on one side?
te.Eski1991 said:
As in it would be a given to me, I wouldn't expect any after care for a few hundred quid. The seller has previous bad feedback for moody MOT certificates, I do have a way of picking the ste.
It might be a perfectly good car but I would proceed with caution simply because of the seller. Cheap S-types are not exactly rare and the early ones are known to have various issues. te.VolvoT5 said:
It might be a perfectly good car but I would proceed with caution simply because of the seller. Cheap S-types are not exactly rare and the early ones are known to have various issues.
It's more that the car is very close to me and saves me travelling around looking for something, thought it could be worth a punt at £500 or so.PowerslideSWE said:
Lowtimer said:
Who's "we"?
By definition, any car that was very expensive new and is now available dirt-cheap is obviously near the bottom of depreciation. They are bumping along very low values but that's been the case for some time. But for most cars the end of depreciation is not a reflex curve, it's a straight line - being cheap now doesn't mean they are going to start going up soon or even ever, they might just fade away into oblivion. They're in exactly the same boat as the (non-M5) E39 despite the antics of a couple of dealers who have put one or two examples on at M5 money just to see if there are any mugs out there.
It's only four months since BV72 obtained a perfectly serviceable 530i, with MOT, for exactly zero of our finest English pounds. I'm not really seeing E34 or E32 Fives and Sevens appreciating so if their replacements are going to perk up it's probably another decade to wait at least, to allow 90% of the current fleet to go to the scrapper.
Prices are on the up on good examples in Germany atleast. Not air-cooled Porsches kind of up tho. Short wheelbase ones more so due to rarity, LHD is something like 1300 facelifts made and RHD facelift short wheelbase ones are very very rare at just 113 made. Car in question is neither tho. By definition, any car that was very expensive new and is now available dirt-cheap is obviously near the bottom of depreciation. They are bumping along very low values but that's been the case for some time. But for most cars the end of depreciation is not a reflex curve, it's a straight line - being cheap now doesn't mean they are going to start going up soon or even ever, they might just fade away into oblivion. They're in exactly the same boat as the (non-M5) E39 despite the antics of a couple of dealers who have put one or two examples on at M5 money just to see if there are any mugs out there.
It's only four months since BV72 obtained a perfectly serviceable 530i, with MOT, for exactly zero of our finest English pounds. I'm not really seeing E34 or E32 Fives and Sevens appreciating so if their replacements are going to perk up it's probably another decade to wait at least, to allow 90% of the current fleet to go to the scrapper.
Buy an E38 because it's cheap, pleasurable motoring in the car of your childhood dreams and don't kid yourself about appreciation.
cat220 said:
Decent? Decent? It looks utterly stunning. Especially the very intelligently specified interior. Electric, heated, light brown cloth. Very sensible price, too.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
mccrackenj said:
Interested in yor opinions chaps.
I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
I'd be tempted to do it anyway. If nothing else, regard it as preventative maintenance.I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
In other news, I've spent the week on the Cote d'Azur and saw a remarkable number of MB 190s and 124s; they still look good in the Med sunshine.
I would also service the transmission. I mean, given the choice between wasting money on unnecessary work and not wasting money on unnecessary work, I'd take the former every time.
mccrackenj said:
Interested in yor opinions chaps.
I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
I think the service interval for the 4 speed auto is either 3 years / 27,000 miles or 4 years / 36,000 miles.I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
Croutons said:
OK, I know sod all about Volvos, but for £950 why hasn't someone ripped his arm off? What would a similar W124 cost?(I admit I haven't read the full ad, so maybe there are horrors to explain the price, but still. . . )
MJK 24 said:
mccrackenj said:
Interested in yor opinions chaps.
I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
I think the service interval for the 4 speed auto is either 3 years / 27,000 miles or 4 years / 36,000 miles.I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
r129sl said:
PowerslideSWE said:
Lowtimer said:
Who's "we"?
By definition, any car that was very expensive new and is now available dirt-cheap is obviously near the bottom of depreciation. They are bumping along very low values but that's been the case for some time. But for most cars the end of depreciation is not a reflex curve, it's a straight line - being cheap now doesn't mean they are going to start going up soon or even ever, they might just fade away into oblivion. They're in exactly the same boat as the (non-M5) E39 despite the antics of a couple of dealers who have put one or two examples on at M5 money just to see if there are any mugs out there.
It's only four months since BV72 obtained a perfectly serviceable 530i, with MOT, for exactly zero of our finest English pounds. I'm not really seeing E34 or E32 Fives and Sevens appreciating so if their replacements are going to perk up it's probably another decade to wait at least, to allow 90% of the current fleet to go to the scrapper.
Prices are on the up on good examples in Germany atleast. Not air-cooled Porsches kind of up tho. Short wheelbase ones more so due to rarity, LHD is something like 1300 facelifts made and RHD facelift short wheelbase ones are very very rare at just 113 made. Car in question is neither tho. By definition, any car that was very expensive new and is now available dirt-cheap is obviously near the bottom of depreciation. They are bumping along very low values but that's been the case for some time. But for most cars the end of depreciation is not a reflex curve, it's a straight line - being cheap now doesn't mean they are going to start going up soon or even ever, they might just fade away into oblivion. They're in exactly the same boat as the (non-M5) E39 despite the antics of a couple of dealers who have put one or two examples on at M5 money just to see if there are any mugs out there.
It's only four months since BV72 obtained a perfectly serviceable 530i, with MOT, for exactly zero of our finest English pounds. I'm not really seeing E34 or E32 Fives and Sevens appreciating so if their replacements are going to perk up it's probably another decade to wait at least, to allow 90% of the current fleet to go to the scrapper.
Buy an E38 because it's cheap, pleasurable motoring in the car of your childhood dreams and don't kid yourself about appreciation.
cat220 said:
Decent? Decent? It looks utterly stunning. Especially the very intelligently specified interior. Electric, heated, light brown cloth. Very sensible price, too.CharlesdeGaulle said:
mccrackenj said:
Interested in yor opinions chaps.
I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
I'd be tempted to do it anyway. If nothing else, regard it as preventative maintenance.I was planning on having the atf & filter changed on the 260E. The car has only done 56,000 miles but there is nothing in the service history to indicate it's ever been done. But, the car drives perfectly, gear changes are smooth, no noises, clunks or jerkiness, absolutely nothing amiss. And I inspected the fluid and it's dark pinky-red and clear.
So, do the atf & filter anyway or leave well alone? I'm leaning towards 'leave well alone!' at the minute.
In other news, I've spent the week on the Cote d'Azur and saw a remarkable number of MB 190s and 124s; they still look good in the Med sunshine.
I would also service the transmission. I mean, given the choice between wasting money on unnecessary work and not wasting money on unnecessary work, I'd take the former every time.
Can I furtle in the thread beards, please...
... '53 plate 730i, price is very reasonable, MOT history has advisories on, well, most of the suspension joints for the last 2 years which is not surprising at 137k miles.
How much for a suspension rebuild on one of these? Assuming I'm just going to do the lot straight away and keep the car a while!
Also noted: oil leak, unspecified. Any likely culprits? Although it's not as if I'm a stranger to the "running oil change" with the cars I buy
Any other points of caution? Coming from an E39 530 on similar miles which was a third of the price.... but the 730 looks sooooo much nicer inside
... '53 plate 730i, price is very reasonable, MOT history has advisories on, well, most of the suspension joints for the last 2 years which is not surprising at 137k miles.
How much for a suspension rebuild on one of these? Assuming I'm just going to do the lot straight away and keep the car a while!
Also noted: oil leak, unspecified. Any likely culprits? Although it's not as if I'm a stranger to the "running oil change" with the cars I buy
Any other points of caution? Coming from an E39 530 on similar miles which was a third of the price.... but the 730 looks sooooo much nicer inside
CharlesdeGaulle said:
r129sl said:
Ah, that was the holiday to pay for the XJR-S, no?
Actually, it was work. No, really, it was. What Madame thinks is the holiday to attone for yet another old car, is next weekend in the Lakes. (AKA the Losers Conference). It may not go well!
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