Car trends that you hope die
Discussion
I think images of Ferrari's red is very tenuous.
Red shows well with black intrim and chrome and contours...they tend to show vehicle well.
Probably why Ferrari used it and most Ads for the new Mustang GT86 are red..
Note I don't have any red cars anymore and I always buy on condition not colour, but white I would not unless its was a old classic from the 60's or 70's AkA E type in old English white or Mustang GT350.
Only reason for me to white on a modern is if I go back to live in the tropics as the sheet metal temp is less Chance of lacquer peal
On the paint front after spending 4 dasy walking around Goodwood again last year a good number decided the worst car paintwork was on BMW's out of the mainstream manufactures and worst Panel gap variables. Bare in mind I used inspect about 5 to 6 new cars a day for a living that is on good authority.. Dacia is better.....Go figure....Marketing and propoganda....something our friends in Europe have been good at since before they started dropping things that go bang on our chippy.
I don't mind lacking quality at a low price fine...what I will not put up with is BS and a high price amd repair cost.
What is the point of making them good anyway if once victim on the sales room next a victim at the service dept....win win win.
Red shows well with black intrim and chrome and contours...they tend to show vehicle well.
Probably why Ferrari used it and most Ads for the new Mustang GT86 are red..
Note I don't have any red cars anymore and I always buy on condition not colour, but white I would not unless its was a old classic from the 60's or 70's AkA E type in old English white or Mustang GT350.
Only reason for me to white on a modern is if I go back to live in the tropics as the sheet metal temp is less Chance of lacquer peal
On the paint front after spending 4 dasy walking around Goodwood again last year a good number decided the worst car paintwork was on BMW's out of the mainstream manufactures and worst Panel gap variables. Bare in mind I used inspect about 5 to 6 new cars a day for a living that is on good authority.. Dacia is better.....Go figure....Marketing and propoganda....something our friends in Europe have been good at since before they started dropping things that go bang on our chippy.
I don't mind lacking quality at a low price fine...what I will not put up with is BS and a high price amd repair cost.
What is the point of making them good anyway if once victim on the sales room next a victim at the service dept....win win win.
Edited by RumRunner on Wednesday 11th May 09:11
RumRunner said:
I think images of Ferrari's red is very tenuous.
Red shows well with black intrim and chrome and contours...they tend to show vehicle well.
Probably why Ferrari used it and most Ads for the new Mustang GT86 are red..
Note I don't have any red cars anymore and I always buy on condition not colour, but white I would not unless its was a old classic from the 60's or 70's AkA E type in old English white or Mustang GT350.
Only reason for me to white on a modern is if I go back to live in the tropics as the sheet metal temp is less Chance of lacquer peal
On the paint front after spending 4 dasy walking around Goodwood again last year a good number decided the worst car paintwork was on BMW's out of the mainstream manufactures and worst Panel gap variables. Bare in mind I used inspect about 5 to 6 new cars a day for a living that is on good authority.. Dacia is better.....Go figure....Marketing and propoganda....something our friends in Europe have been good at since before they started dropping things that go bang on our chippy.
I don't mind lacking quality at a low price fine...what I will not put up with is BS and a high price amd repair cost.
What is the point of making them good anyway if once victim on the sales room next a victim at the service dept....win win win.
I said red as you could say the same about many colours. I don't get white either, but if people like it fair enough. Red shows well with black intrim and chrome and contours...they tend to show vehicle well.
Probably why Ferrari used it and most Ads for the new Mustang GT86 are red..
Note I don't have any red cars anymore and I always buy on condition not colour, but white I would not unless its was a old classic from the 60's or 70's AkA E type in old English white or Mustang GT350.
Only reason for me to white on a modern is if I go back to live in the tropics as the sheet metal temp is less Chance of lacquer peal
On the paint front after spending 4 dasy walking around Goodwood again last year a good number decided the worst car paintwork was on BMW's out of the mainstream manufactures and worst Panel gap variables. Bare in mind I used inspect about 5 to 6 new cars a day for a living that is on good authority.. Dacia is better.....Go figure....Marketing and propoganda....something our friends in Europe have been good at since before they started dropping things that go bang on our chippy.
I don't mind lacking quality at a low price fine...what I will not put up with is BS and a high price amd repair cost.
What is the point of making them good anyway if once victim on the sales room next a victim at the service dept....win win win.
I don't buy BMWs for the paint or the panel gaps, I buy them because they offer RWD and turn a boring every day car into something not quite as boring as the competition, plus they have great tech inside that makes even the most boring journeys a little more tolerable. I am sure many buyers are the same.
mybrainhurts said:
Some of what the article says makes sense, but1. Nowhere does it state that he is an engine designer.
2. His article fails to mention that manufacturers have increased oil change intervals to beyond what is reasonable in a lot of people's opinion, which is a major contributor to engines becoming sludged up.
3. Engines are more stressed largely because people expect more and more power from the same sized engine, which has nothing to do with emissions. 250 hp is run of the mill for a hot hatch these days!
RumRunner said:
I think images of Ferrari's red is very tenuous.
Red shows well with black intrim and chrome and contours...they tend to show vehicle well.
Probably why Ferrari used it and most Ads for the new Mustang GT86 are red..
If you had any sense of history at all you'd know why most Ferraris are red. Its the same reason why German cars tend to be associated with white, and British cars with green. And American cars with white/blue stripe or blue/white stripe. Red shows well with black intrim and chrome and contours...they tend to show vehicle well.
Probably why Ferrari used it and most Ads for the new Mustang GT86 are red..
Edited by RumRunner on Wednesday 11th May 09:11
Sense of history...Mr Williamp
Yes Alfa were red with Nouvlari at the wheel before Enzo was building his own.Red typically stands for sacrifice, danger and courage what early motorsport was about. Blood stands out a lot on white when crashed which shows weakness.
British cars green...BRG was mainly a BMC colour and alot of run of the mill stuff was black / grey. Yes many U.K teams ran greem BRM Vanwall Lotus (early day before red and gold and then black and gold)...but it was not mass colour for road cars.
Again white with stripes only on 60'sFord sport models..Model T Black...with many Golds and Browns through the 70'.. I don't think you will find many Duesenbergs or V16 Caddies in white.
White for Germans...can't see it apart from the SSk100....Then is changed to the silver arrows.....black beatles and Miltary Green. Audi was Autounion and they were also silver.
BMW used white as said like a sheet of paper to then plaster there cars with the M sport colours on 2002 and 3.0CSL. As you would do with a competition car.Blank canvas for marketing. However silver is really what they used most from motorsport marketing history.
You could also say the French do light blue because of Bugattis and 2CVs and renault Apline but that is long time ago
Yes Alfa were red with Nouvlari at the wheel before Enzo was building his own.Red typically stands for sacrifice, danger and courage what early motorsport was about. Blood stands out a lot on white when crashed which shows weakness.
British cars green...BRG was mainly a BMC colour and alot of run of the mill stuff was black / grey. Yes many U.K teams ran greem BRM Vanwall Lotus (early day before red and gold and then black and gold)...but it was not mass colour for road cars.
Again white with stripes only on 60'sFord sport models..Model T Black...with many Golds and Browns through the 70'.. I don't think you will find many Duesenbergs or V16 Caddies in white.
White for Germans...can't see it apart from the SSk100....Then is changed to the silver arrows.....black beatles and Miltary Green. Audi was Autounion and they were also silver.
BMW used white as said like a sheet of paper to then plaster there cars with the M sport colours on 2002 and 3.0CSL. As you would do with a competition car.Blank canvas for marketing. However silver is really what they used most from motorsport marketing history.
You could also say the French do light blue because of Bugattis and 2CVs and renault Apline but that is long time ago
Edited by RumRunner on Wednesday 11th May 10:58
1Addicted said:
Diesel convertibles.
In fact, "prestige" diesel cars altogether in any form. Why? You buy a diesel car for economy, therefore why are you paying out of your rear for a badge when there are perfectly good, CHEAPER alternatives. To keep up with the Jones', of course.
Yes, really you want something with more than double the power which also weighs hundred's of kilograms less.In fact, "prestige" diesel cars altogether in any form. Why? You buy a diesel car for economy, therefore why are you paying out of your rear for a badge when there are perfectly good, CHEAPER alternatives. To keep up with the Jones', of course.
It taking 5 minutes to actually get anywhere in a modern car, by the time I have started the car...turn off stop/start, turn on autohold, sunroof blind back, selected my music on spotify via my phone....then actually driving.
Once on the road though I enjoy my white (hides the dirt, swirls well over darker colours, in relation to orange peel every car has it!), German made car, 6 cylinder, twin turbo, diesel, auto slushbox, LED headlights (with auto features which have always responded quickly enough) and tail lights, 20" inch with no profile, overall a comfy place to be to "just" get somewhere and cruise with plenty of poke and reasonable MPG.Oh and for the record not on finance and nor do I look down on people in other "bread and butter manufacturers", but I did get the usual jibes about the car.
As for trends that should die anything with stretch, rat look etc. but ultimately if it does not impact me then just get on with life.
Once on the road though I enjoy my white (hides the dirt, swirls well over darker colours, in relation to orange peel every car has it!), German made car, 6 cylinder, twin turbo, diesel, auto slushbox, LED headlights (with auto features which have always responded quickly enough) and tail lights, 20" inch with no profile, overall a comfy place to be to "just" get somewhere and cruise with plenty of poke and reasonable MPG.Oh and for the record not on finance and nor do I look down on people in other "bread and butter manufacturers", but I did get the usual jibes about the car.
As for trends that should die anything with stretch, rat look etc. but ultimately if it does not impact me then just get on with life.
Cars with to many dash gadgets to keep...tech geeks buying...
No tech in my TVR's and still most interesting extertaining to drive...
No dial your mode in BS with flashing lights on the dashboard.
Just better make sure you have resonable skill in the wet if on it.
Some help to much and make you feel invincible to you really go beyond its get out death reserve package.
BMW drives who go on about there RWD...which is great however seems like many run open diffs and rely on TCS which is far from sporty. When you put a lots of power and torque through it.
No tech in my TVR's and still most interesting extertaining to drive...
No dial your mode in BS with flashing lights on the dashboard.
Just better make sure you have resonable skill in the wet if on it.
Some help to much and make you feel invincible to you really go beyond its get out death reserve package.
BMW drives who go on about there RWD...which is great however seems like many run open diffs and rely on TCS which is far from sporty. When you put a lots of power and torque through it.
1Addicted said:
Diesel convertibles.
In fact, "prestige" diesel cars altogether in any form. Why? You buy a diesel car for economy, therefore why are you paying out of your rear for a badge when there are perfectly good, CHEAPER alternatives. To keep up with the Jones', of course.
Exactly. I bet this applies to far more than people than those that say otherwise.In fact, "prestige" diesel cars altogether in any form. Why? You buy a diesel car for economy, therefore why are you paying out of your rear for a badge when there are perfectly good, CHEAPER alternatives. To keep up with the Jones', of course.
RumRunner said:
AUDI's why people think they have bought into a acceptable middle class motoring.
Basically in most cases the cars are overpriced and reliability after once out of warranty ...shocking.... cars for clones....and dull in most cases.Staggering in the fact that people will buy a beaten up high mileage example instead of low say 1 owner mint Ford for the same money...just be in lacking in imagination Audi club...dohh..which is less reliable and more costly to fix. Leaders start fashions then when people have similar move and start a new one....Sheep follow and that is why most Audi's are white with black hooves.
That's one opinion.Basically in most cases the cars are overpriced and reliability after once out of warranty ...shocking.... cars for clones....and dull in most cases.Staggering in the fact that people will buy a beaten up high mileage example instead of low say 1 owner mint Ford for the same money...just be in lacking in imagination Audi club...dohh..which is less reliable and more costly to fix. Leaders start fashions then when people have similar move and start a new one....Sheep follow and that is why most Audi's are white with black hooves.
You actually know or have had contact with these people who buy high mileage, beaten-up examples? Do you chide them for their lack of imagination whenever you see them?
You call them clones then offer a Ford as an alternative; hardly a scarce marque itself is it? Perhaps some people don't relish a mint condition, 1 owner Ford; I know I don't. I'd go so far to say the only Ford I would consider ever paying money for is an RS200 and that's not likely to happen.
I would agree that Audi's aren't the most exciting of cars but in quattro guise they offer something which most other manufacturers—Subaru being a notable exception—don't do. And even then Subaru are a different demographic.
For over £500 less than a secondhand 2013 1.2 Ford Ka...
(http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201604122902029/sort/default/postcode/le112sf/onesearchad/used/radius/1501/price-to/5500/price-from/4500/make/ford/advert-type/ymal/dealer-id/27936/usedcars?logcode=flp)
...I bought a 2002 Audi S8. 1 owner from from new, FSH, mint condition with less than 100,000 miles on the clock. 360bhp, 4wd, more space than I knew what to do with, discrete, comfortable and when I came to sell it 2 years later, I got 90% of my money back.
Before than I owned a 2002 A4 3.0 Quattro Sport which coincidentally my brother now owns, having bought it from the chap who bought it from me. It's in excellent condition, less than 100,000, FSH and at just £1600 delivers a driving experience you won't get in any similarly aged or similarly priced Ford.
My wife now drives an A4 3.2 Quattro S-Line Tiptronic. It may be dull in your opinion but that fact is precisely why my wife loves it. It's a very capable car that blends in so she can turn up to work at a school and not attract attention.
Thanks to Audi's becoming more ubiquitous, the older models are affordable to people like me who would rather buy something older/faster/better equipped/not very sensible over a brand new stop-start eco-box that woudn't stand out in a crowd of one.
As you said.... and there we have it.
The need to fit into a certain box you quote:-
" car that blends in so she can turn up to work at a school and not attract attention."
Yet they all want to put there own stamp on the Kitchen !!!
So why blend in is good to be different or think outside the box. Good job people have in the past or we would all still be in mud huts....
When I was lad my mates dad had Capri 2.0laser...my mate was seen to be cool as his old man had something a bit different amongst the cortinas and marinas and other wonders if the late 70 and 80's.
Now its Audis and VW's.
Classic example of friend who could only have the VW version of the Seat and Ford Galaxy to fit in and ended her paying to much for a car with high mileage and loads of issues where there were many better examples of the same thing for less or similar....brand marketing BS
The need to fit into a certain box you quote:-
" car that blends in so she can turn up to work at a school and not attract attention."
Yet they all want to put there own stamp on the Kitchen !!!
So why blend in is good to be different or think outside the box. Good job people have in the past or we would all still be in mud huts....
When I was lad my mates dad had Capri 2.0laser...my mate was seen to be cool as his old man had something a bit different amongst the cortinas and marinas and other wonders if the late 70 and 80's.
Now its Audis and VW's.
Classic example of friend who could only have the VW version of the Seat and Ford Galaxy to fit in and ended her paying to much for a car with high mileage and loads of issues where there were many better examples of the same thing for less or similar....brand marketing BS
Edited by RumRunner on Wednesday 11th May 15:07
lickatysplit said:
I thought I'd quoted here but can't find it.
Fake exhausts and fake surrounds, for example, Honda Civics, land rovers, ford transits etc
Absolutely this. I can't stand all the peashooter exhausts hiding behind outlets you can see daylight through. What is the point??Fake exhausts and fake surrounds, for example, Honda Civics, land rovers, ford transits etc
Horse Pop said:
Yes, really you want something with more than double the power which also weighs hundred's of kilograms less.
No, really you want something with Kia badge, if economy is your requirement. An economical to run, yet expensive to purchase prestige car is a total contradiction.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff