RE: Range Rover Sport SVR vs Porsche Cayenne Turbo S
Discussion
Leggy said:
Dollyman1850 said:
Seems a lot of people with pre conceived ideas that have never owned one think they have knowledge of what they are like…
We have 2 day to day cars these days.. A 1.2 Polo diesel for pumping the miles on (75k in 2 years)
and this…
Quite simply, pound for pound it is the best car I have ever owned…It tows anything a Landrover will and generally better, more stably and quicker. It is a high performance uber wagon when I want it to be.
it can get me out of the hilly wilderness in the harshest of weather, It can get me up the hillside with genny, gravel and building gear when I need to work on my spring water supply.
It really boils my piss when I hear folk who live in towns and quite frankly should just use the bus criticise what the car is. it annoys me that I have to pay £500 per year road tax because some environmentalist t
t has deemed it is a chelsea tractor…
I have ran landies..st, breakdown and rust.
Mitsubshis's, ste, breakdown and rust
Isuzu troopers…ste, rust, have st injectors which blow engines up..Breakdown (not bad bodies)
So i thought bks and tried a Porsche…It has never let me down, the odd sensor has failed which generally cost the same as a Volkswagen to repair and I feel great every time I drive it..
Is it Thirsty..yes.
(Thats it though)
Any off road limitation is like any expensive vehicle..What tyres are you using and how much damage do you want to inflict on your panels!!
As a tool for the Country dweller who tows, and actually uses a utility vehicle though.. It has very very few rivals..
Mine cost me £25k with 25k worth of extras on the spec sheet..
The doubters..Please keep knocking them..It makes it easier to pick up a good well specced one for reasonable money
N.
But you only paid £25k, of course it's a great car at that price point......We have 2 day to day cars these days.. A 1.2 Polo diesel for pumping the miles on (75k in 2 years)
and this…
Quite simply, pound for pound it is the best car I have ever owned…It tows anything a Landrover will and generally better, more stably and quicker. It is a high performance uber wagon when I want it to be.
it can get me out of the hilly wilderness in the harshest of weather, It can get me up the hillside with genny, gravel and building gear when I need to work on my spring water supply.
It really boils my piss when I hear folk who live in towns and quite frankly should just use the bus criticise what the car is. it annoys me that I have to pay £500 per year road tax because some environmentalist t
t has deemed it is a chelsea tractor…I have ran landies..s
t, breakdown and rust.Mitsubshis's, s
te, breakdown and rustIsuzu troopers…s
te, rust, have st injectors which blow engines up..Breakdown (not bad bodies)So i thought b
ks and tried a Porsche…It has never let me down, the odd sensor has failed which generally cost the same as a Volkswagen to repair and I feel great every time I drive it..Is it Thirsty..yes.
(Thats it though)
Any off road limitation is like any expensive vehicle..What tyres are you using and how much damage do you want to inflict on your panels!!
As a tool for the Country dweller who tows, and actually uses a utility vehicle though.. It has very very few rivals..
Mine cost me £25k with 25k worth of extras on the spec sheet..
The doubters..Please keep knocking them..It makes it easier to pick up a good well specced one for reasonable money
N.
This whole discussion if you rather like a swiss knive or a swiss watch totally misses the heart of the matter which is masses of people wearing a swiss knive over their handcuffs because they got the latest memo from Milan wrong and think it is de rigueur nowadays.
Or to put it another way:
Which one looks more brash parked over two handicapped spaces at your local Tescos?
Point to the winner. Done.
Martin
Or to put it another way:
Which one looks more brash parked over two handicapped spaces at your local Tescos?
Point to the winner. Done.
Martin
Martin 480 Turbo said:
This whole discussion if you rather like a swiss knive or a swiss watch totally misses the heart of the matter which is masses of people wearing a swiss knive over their handcuffs because they got the latest memo from Milan wrong and think it is de rigueur nowadays.
Or to put it another way:
Which one looks more brash parked over two handicapped spaces at your local Tescos?
Point to the winner. Done.
Martin
Utter cobblers.Or to put it another way:
Which one looks more brash parked over two handicapped spaces at your local Tescos?
Point to the winner. Done.
Martin
For every orange tanned person in an ice white Q7 at Tesco there is another bloke with a filthy RR, X5, Cayenne or Toureg that gets used and abused.
Besides, real SUV owners shop at Waitress don't you know?
Martin 480 Turbo said:
This whole discussion if you rather like a swiss knive or a swiss watch totally misses the heart of the matter which is masses of people wearing a swiss knive over their handcuffs because they got the latest memo from Milan wrong and think it is de rigueur nowadays.
Or to put it another way:
Which one looks more brash parked over two handicapped spaces at your local Tescos?
Point to the winner. Done.
Martin
I can't believe someone who has this in his garage....Or to put it another way:
Which one looks more brash parked over two handicapped spaces at your local Tescos?
Point to the winner. Done.
Martin
Audi A6 Avant 3.0tdi Quattro LeMans Edition
Can post such b
ks. Which bit of LeMans did Audi take inspiration from to give it that name?
Max_Torque said:
Question for PH: Has anyone actually seen any of these "sports" SUVs being driven in a sport fashion? No me neither (unless you include driving without due care and attention as sporty......)
But is it any different to say an "M Sport" Touring or "S Line" Avant? Seriously, you see people driving big diesel BMW Tourings as if they are an M car, is that any less sad?
Fittster said:
toppstuff said:
Anyone who does not live an urban or suburban existence will tell you that there is nothing better for the day to day life of living in rural areas.
I live in a rural area and I don't see the need for an SUV. Wow. Feelings seem to run incredibly high whenever this type of vehicle are featured. I can only speak from my own experience and say that the stereotypes wheeled out are as far from the truth as you can get! My brother in law, whose SVR this is, loves it to bits! He has a Disco for around the farm, chucking sheep in and generally getting abused and the RRS for going out, driving down to Europe on holiday and general family duties. He enjoys the comfort, speed and driving dynamics. Yes he could have had an RS6, E63 etc but the kids like the high seating position and for the narrow lanes of deepest Somerset, the visibility is a real boon when pushing on. It takes the potholed roads in its stride and is happy to cruise down the German autobahn.
It may not have the image that some people like, and yes, some of the tanned WAGS may well choke up parts of London or Manchester in them, but tarring everyone with the same brush seems slightly narrow minded. It does everything he asks of it and is happy to pay the frankly absurd running costs! Horses for courses... Thank god we live in a day and age where you get the choice!
It may not have the image that some people like, and yes, some of the tanned WAGS may well choke up parts of London or Manchester in them, but tarring everyone with the same brush seems slightly narrow minded. It does everything he asks of it and is happy to pay the frankly absurd running costs! Horses for courses... Thank god we live in a day and age where you get the choice!
I live in a Surrey Hills country enclave and all around me are SUVs (2x XC90s) from my living room window.
However, what the article doesn't address is the, frankly, pi$$ poor reliability of the Rangies. 'Dire' doesn't cover it and far, far worse than anyone who forks out that kind of cash has any reason to expect.
However, what the article doesn't address is the, frankly, pi$$ poor reliability of the Rangies. 'Dire' doesn't cover it and far, far worse than anyone who forks out that kind of cash has any reason to expect.
toppstuff said:
Then you aren't rural enough. Got a horsebox?
Stupid comment. If you really want rural credibilty then get a stock trailer. And a Defender to pull it with, not one of these toys!Let's be honest about it. Range Rover or Porsche they're really aimed at people living in Richmond who WANT to think they have rural credentials. Now I do live in deepest rural Devon so what do I drive? A V6 Alfa, far more sensible.
smilo996 said:
Well at least Dan has been weened off 911's.
The Range Rover is the real deal and always has been, the Porsche is dog food dressed as steak tartar. It is a reconfigured Audi. This was the first one, the Macca takes this idea a step further and is just an Audi, reskinned, tweeked and now even using VW diesels. No DNA, just a badge job.
Range Rover every time. Heritage, capability and breading count.
The Mk1 Cayenne was a decent off roader by all accounts, it had air suspension, low range gearbox and difflocks. I'm a Range Rover fan but gladly acknowledge Porsche built an impressive car. I'm not 100% sure but I think the newer versions did away with much of its off road ability.The Range Rover is the real deal and always has been, the Porsche is dog food dressed as steak tartar. It is a reconfigured Audi. This was the first one, the Macca takes this idea a step further and is just an Audi, reskinned, tweeked and now even using VW diesels. No DNA, just a badge job.
Range Rover every time. Heritage, capability and breading count.
I totally agree with toppstuff. When are you going to give up on the "everybody must hate them" theme to every SUV test, it's just boring and totally out of synch with the car buying public. Some hate them, some love them, same for lots of cars.
But as for your comment below are you seriously suggesting an Octavia Scout as an alternative if you want a rural runabout? The whole point of the feature was an all rounder wasn't it? and these are top of the tree.
I'll admit to owning several supercharged range rover sports but it does quite simply do everything and every time I try to change our for an estate or a more traditional car that "everyone would prefer" always find them lacking. My Range Rover tows my track car for miles in complete comfort, it launches jet skis and boats from beaches (that rules out anything 2wd as does reversing the Brian James up a gravel slope to where it's kept, RS6 would also lose it's splitter on the launch ramp so that's out). It will also take me out on business or with the Mrs and look the part and has plenty of grunt to overtake "the dawdling masses". Tell me what else will do it all because I can't find it..
The issue with the tone of the article is that SUV bashing has been done to death, for the right people these things are great and for me personally there isn't another car that will do all i need it too (Suv, not necessarily RR flavour). I'm therefore genuinely interested in this comparison test. So yes point out that they aren't for everyone, but don't theme it that everyone would really prefer a "normal car" and grudgingly admit at the end that they're ok - but of course an Octavia Scout would be a much more PH option... perleaaase...
One point I will take issue with though and that's practicality - living with the Sport it's not as big inside as it looks from out, the rear seats don't fold flat and, like all SUVs needing to accommodate massive 22-inch wheels and suitable suspension travel, there's a load of arch intrusion that impacts on boot space and rear legroom. Plus shorter people need 'convenience' features like powered tailgates and load height suspension to use the boot. And in the Cayenne's case leg- and headroom in the back are awful, the boot is small and the visibility woeful. They are mighty machines but the ability and style does demand sacrifices.
If you want truly practical, rural friendly transport I'd maintain an Octavia Scout, Legacy Outback, A6 Allroad or similar gives you more actual usable space, much more road-friendly dimensions and enough off-road ability to get along any farm track or be confident of reaching your destination whatever the weather. Bringing us full circle to the inescapable fact pose factor is at least as important as the actual usability in these things.
And the perceived anti-SUV bias? Consider it an editorial stance. And I'm the editor!
But I hope you'll agree opinions are qualified, expressed fairly and fully backed up where made. And, of course, if you disagree there is a platform on which to discuss further!
Cheers!
Dan
But as for your comment below are you seriously suggesting an Octavia Scout as an alternative if you want a rural runabout? The whole point of the feature was an all rounder wasn't it? and these are top of the tree.
I'll admit to owning several supercharged range rover sports but it does quite simply do everything and every time I try to change our for an estate or a more traditional car that "everyone would prefer" always find them lacking. My Range Rover tows my track car for miles in complete comfort, it launches jet skis and boats from beaches (that rules out anything 2wd as does reversing the Brian James up a gravel slope to where it's kept, RS6 would also lose it's splitter on the launch ramp so that's out). It will also take me out on business or with the Mrs and look the part and has plenty of grunt to overtake "the dawdling masses". Tell me what else will do it all because I can't find it..
The issue with the tone of the article is that SUV bashing has been done to death, for the right people these things are great and for me personally there isn't another car that will do all i need it too (Suv, not necessarily RR flavour). I'm therefore genuinely interested in this comparison test. So yes point out that they aren't for everyone, but don't theme it that everyone would really prefer a "normal car" and grudgingly admit at the end that they're ok - but of course an Octavia Scout would be a much more PH option... perleaaase...
Dan Trent said:
toppstuff said:
Dan - We get it that you don't like SUVs.
You did read to the end of the story, right? I'll be the first to admit both of these cars succeed handsomely in their goals and, at least in the SVR's case, with enough charisma to win over even the most ardent anti-SUV cynic. Or at least leaving them feeling a little conflicted! And customers love them. One point I will take issue with though and that's practicality - living with the Sport it's not as big inside as it looks from out, the rear seats don't fold flat and, like all SUVs needing to accommodate massive 22-inch wheels and suitable suspension travel, there's a load of arch intrusion that impacts on boot space and rear legroom. Plus shorter people need 'convenience' features like powered tailgates and load height suspension to use the boot. And in the Cayenne's case leg- and headroom in the back are awful, the boot is small and the visibility woeful. They are mighty machines but the ability and style does demand sacrifices.
If you want truly practical, rural friendly transport I'd maintain an Octavia Scout, Legacy Outback, A6 Allroad or similar gives you more actual usable space, much more road-friendly dimensions and enough off-road ability to get along any farm track or be confident of reaching your destination whatever the weather. Bringing us full circle to the inescapable fact pose factor is at least as important as the actual usability in these things.
And the perceived anti-SUV bias? Consider it an editorial stance. And I'm the editor!
But I hope you'll agree opinions are qualified, expressed fairly and fully backed up where made. And, of course, if you disagree there is a platform on which to discuss further! Cheers!
Dan
Edited by Dan Trent on Wednesday 30th March 14:36
Quote: And the fact the SVR runs the Cayenne so close dynamically without seemingly compromising the mud-plugging credentials gives it credibility to match the charisma.
Please inform me how many Range Rovers anyone has seen in a difficult situation off road especially one which costs 90k?
I knew before even starting to read the article the SVR would get the nod however good the Porsche is.
On a different note one of the main selling points seems to be the fact you are higher up in a 4X4 so in safety terms you are safer on the roads.
Mostly it is to do with image rather than anything else but there is clearly a huge market for this type of vehicle and more manufactures including Bentley obviously think is worth the expense.
Please inform me how many Range Rovers anyone has seen in a difficult situation off road especially one which costs 90k?
I knew before even starting to read the article the SVR would get the nod however good the Porsche is.
On a different note one of the main selling points seems to be the fact you are higher up in a 4X4 so in safety terms you are safer on the roads.
Mostly it is to do with image rather than anything else but there is clearly a huge market for this type of vehicle and more manufactures including Bentley obviously think is worth the expense.
DBRacingGod said:
I live in a Surrey Hills country enclave and all around me are SUVs (2x XC90s) from my living room window.
However, what the article doesn't address is the, frankly, pi$$ poor reliability of the Rangies. 'Dire' doesn't cover it and far, far worse than anyone who forks out that kind of cash has any reason to expect.
I'd have to disagree with your view of the Rangies pi$$ poor reliability! The previous version was indeed put together by monkeys who'd been out on the lash the night before but the "new" RRS does seem to be a paradigm of reliability! Having covered 40k miles in their previous 5ltr supercharged and 6k in the SVR, not once have they marked their copy book. Fuel, tyres and servicing is all that has been required. Perhaps a corner has been turned at JLR? However, what the article doesn't address is the, frankly, pi$$ poor reliability of the Rangies. 'Dire' doesn't cover it and far, far worse than anyone who forks out that kind of cash has any reason to expect.
ffhard said:
Stupid comment. If you really want rural credibilty then get a stock trailer. And a Defender to pull it with, not one of these toys!
Let's be honest about it. Range Rover or Porsche they're really aimed at people living in Richmond who WANT to think they have rural credentials. Now I do live in deepest rural Devon so what do I drive? A V6 Alfa, far more sensible.
It is for people who want the luxury of a Rolls Royce or Bentley in a more every day package. Let's be honest about it. Range Rover or Porsche they're really aimed at people living in Richmond who WANT to think they have rural credentials. Now I do live in deepest rural Devon so what do I drive? A V6 Alfa, far more sensible.
Until Mercedes or someone make an estate that comes close to what you get with a RR there is no choice.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Quote: And the fact the SVR runs the Cayenne so close dynamically without seemingly compromising the mud-plugging credentials gives it credibility to match the charisma.
Please inform me how many Range Rovers anyone has seen in a difficult situation off road especially one which costs 90k?
I don't see many in difficult situations, they all seem to cope with whatever you throw at them. Please inform me how many Range Rovers anyone has seen in a difficult situation off road especially one which costs 90k?
I guess you were meaning "how many people use £90k RRs on the farm etc.?"
Loads of them round here, Norfolk, are used daily on the land.
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