Tesla Model 3 revealed

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babatunde

736 posts

189 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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WestyCarl said:
Guvernator said:
Nail on head, while the insider perspective by Tuna was interesting it wasn't why I and many of my friends bought an iphone. It was just a very slick, cool looking device. Some technology just seems ahead of it's time, using an iphone felt like I was in Star Trek land compared to the phones I'd used before and this is the reason why Tesla are doing well. The underlying technology might be similar but their product is just slicker then anyone else's. I had absolutely zero desire to own an EV car...until I saw a Tesla. Sadly the Model 3 isn't a great looker IMO but still better than nearly all the other available EV cars.
Yup, apart form geeks, most people buy stuff on 1st impressions and perception. This isn't just the product itself, but the whole experience, website, shops ,packaging etc, etc.
As a techi, I refused to buy an Iphone cause I couldn't fiddle with it. But remember very clearly the day I vowed never to buy another Nokia, it was when we had friends round and they wanted to charge their nokia phone and we brought out 5 different Nokia chargers.... non fitted. I remember their car kits as well, change your phone change the kit.

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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babatunde said:
As a techi, I refused to buy an Iphone cause I couldn't fiddle with it. But remember very clearly the day I vowed never to buy another Nokia, it was when we had friends round and they wanted to charge their nokia phone and we brought out 5 different Nokia chargers.... non fitted. I remember their car kits as well, change your phone change the kit.
Sounds like the iPhone/iPad to me!

emicen

8,558 posts

217 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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walm said:
babatunde said:
As a techi, I refused to buy an Iphone cause I couldn't fiddle with it. But remember very clearly the day I vowed never to buy another Nokia, it was when we had friends round and they wanted to charge their nokia phone and we brought out 5 different Nokia chargers.... non fitted. I remember their car kits as well, change your phone change the kit.
Sounds like the iPhone/iPad to me!
With 2 types of connector spanning 2003 to present day?

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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emicen said:
walm said:
babatunde said:
As a techi, I refused to buy an Iphone cause I couldn't fiddle with it. But remember very clearly the day I vowed never to buy another Nokia, it was when we had friends round and they wanted to charge their nokia phone and we brought out 5 different Nokia chargers.... non fitted. I remember their car kits as well, change your phone change the kit.
Sounds like the iPhone/iPad to me!
With 2 types of connector spanning 2003 to present day?
The iphone was only launched in 2007 wasn't it?
Before that there was some god awful firewire something-or-other I had to use for my ipod.
But fair point. 2 is better than 5-6! Still annoys me.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

236 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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I never was and never will be a fan of Apple. Particularly after spending several hours typing up a proposal only to be presented with this:



and losing everything. Even at that time PCs had better recovery options.

I assume Apple had already become arrogant enough not to care.

Let's hope Tesla never has any association with that corporation. If they do, I may have to think about my Model 3 reservation.

Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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WestyCarl said:
Guvernator said:
Nail on head, while the insider perspective by Tuna was interesting it wasn't why I and many of my friends bought an iphone. It was just a very slick, cool looking device. Some technology just seems ahead of it's time, using an iphone felt like I was in Star Trek land compared to the phones I'd used before and this is the reason why Tesla are doing well. The underlying technology might be similar but their product is just slicker then anyone else's. I had absolutely zero desire to own an EV car...until I saw a Tesla. Sadly the Model 3 isn't a great looker IMO but still better than nearly all the other available EV cars.
Yup, apart form geeks, most people buy stuff on 1st impressions and perception. This isn't just the product itself, but the whole experience, website, shops ,packaging etc, etc.
You're absolutely right, and Apple's design skills can't be underestimated. The point of my long winded post earlier was that the network operators actively worked against Nokia producing one decent phone, with each trying to reserve their own features. There was some lovely industrial design in Nokia, and some of the software was streets ahead of Apple for features and useability. But it was all spread out between a dozen different models.

The two things Apple got on the nail was that Jony Ive's designs were standout special, and Steve Jobs treated all users of consumer products like idiots. Whereas Nokia, Ericsson and all the others piled in features and made their phones more and more complex, Jobs knew that most people get confused when faced with a load of different options. The iPhone felt like Star Trek because it had one button that did the most obvious thing when you pressed it and all the apps were laid out in front of you rather than hidden in menus. You never felt like an idiot, because everything was kept as simple as possible. It made the phone seem sleek and efficient and there was much less to go wrong.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Tesla/Elon are selling $2bn worth of stock (equity offering), about $1.4bn will go into Teslas coffers giving them about $3bn in cash to fund growth for the model 3

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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RobDickinson said:
Tesla/Elon are selling $2bn worth of stock (equity offering), about $1.4bn will go into Teslas coffers giving them about $3bn in cash to fund growth for the model 3
Press release: "Mr. Musk is a net buyer of Tesla stock in these transactions."

Brylee

2 posts

94 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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FurtiveFreddy said:
I never was and never will be a fan of Apple. Particularly after spending several hours typing up a proposal only to be presented with this:



and losing everything. Even at that time PCs had better recovery options.
I think this could happen also with Windows...

silent ninja

863 posts

99 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Troubleatmill said:
I can see Tesla licensing out the EV stuff.

In essence.... your platform is Tesla.
The car companies are basically coach builders - but can produce on a mass scale.
Which is why nobody is biting and nobody is interested in the EV patents. Tesla aren't giving those for free. Car manufacturers are building their own EVs and thus far don't need Tesla. They're just waiting for the first goer to test and develop the market.

silent ninja

863 posts

99 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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The Vambo said:
The best thing Apple could do would be to Buy Tesla and make Musk the CEO of the whole lot, there is whole generation who can't comprehend how much trouble Apple was in in the 90's and Tim Cook has the Apple Newton days written all over him.
Rumour is they're using Magna Steyr to build an Apple car. They're totally capable but not sure of their engineering and development skills which neither part has.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Get a few hints Tesla this is how you do it

This


+ this


= an attractive, well laid out interior of good quality and not a hideous plastic dash with a huge iPad stuck down.
Its about ergonomics.

I thought this used to be a TVR forum?

Could get a few hints with the materials here then from the pros;


hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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allroad one said:
Get a few hints Tesla this is how you do it

This
Is that a Renault?!

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Devonshire Research Group is shorting the stock and on Tuesday issued a report that says Tesla “has the potential to enter a death spiral”.

The investment firm also said Tesla “has engaged in aggressive accounting that calls to mind the experiences of Enron and WorldCom."

Best of luck!

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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High cost startup in big established industry doing something different in risk shocker. ?

98elise

26,372 posts

160 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Devonshire Research Group is shorting the stock and on Tuesday issued a report that says Tesla “has the potential to enter a death spiral”.

The investment firm also said Tesla “has engaged in aggressive accounting that calls to mind the experiences of Enron and WorldCom."

Best of luck!
Are you up for that £1000 bet I offered to you (a couple of pages back)?

Leithen

10,799 posts

266 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Who exactly are "Devonshire Research Group" and what is their track record?

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Leithen said:
Who exactly are "Devonshire Research Group" and what is their track record?
Stock research is my job although I don't formally follow TSLA, I have been an automotive and tech stock analyst in the past.
I just got to page 8 of their latest report.
They claim that using "high Model 3 pre-orders to boost share price and issue shares" means that Tesla is "acting as an unregistered broker dealer".

It is my professional opinion that if you find something that Devonshire has been recently smoking, you should try it because it will BLOW YOUR MIND!

Now they may very well be right that TSLA is hugely over-valued and might never make a profit and the stock could tank from here.
But that isn't because the company was acting as "an unregistered broker dealer" owing to Model 3 pre-orders.
Insanity.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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walm said:
Leithen said:
Who exactly are "Devonshire Research Group" and what is their track record?
Stock research is my job although I don't formally follow TSLA, I have been an automotive and tech stock analyst in the past.
I just got to page 8 of their latest report.
They claim that using "high Model 3 pre-orders to boost share price and issue shares" means that Tesla is "acting as an unregistered broker dealer".

It is my professional opinion that if you find something that Devonshire has been recently smoking, you should try it because it will BLOW YOUR MIND!

Now they may very well be right that TSLA is hugely over-valued and might never make a profit and the stock could tank from here.
But that isn't because the company was acting as "an unregistered broker dealer" owing to Model 3 pre-orders.
Insanity.
Very interesting bit of research into Devonshire Research Group and this report here - https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/devonshire... .

The report itself is a pretty obvious attempt to devalue Tesla's stock without any real substance to it.

If the company's prospects were as abysmal as this report suggests, you'd think a more reputable company (one who've published more than just 1 report criticising GoPro and 2 attacking Tesla) would have noticed.

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Tesla beast Alfa 4C in a drag race...
https://youtu.be/ib-02b2ooLY?t=4m00s

while towing another Alfa 4C on a trailer

biggrin

Edit: added timecode so it starts at the right spot (4 minutes in).

Edited by durbster on Friday 27th May 13:46