Tesla Model 3 revealed

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Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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durbster said:
Tesla beast Alfa 4C in a drag race...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib-02b2ooLY

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After years of advancements in ride and handling, it's depressing that the huge torque you can get from an electric motor is apparently the only criteria to judge a car by.

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Tuna said:
After years of advancements in ride and handling, it's depressing that the huge torque you can get from an electric motor is apparently the only criteria to judge a car by.
Why is it the only criteria?

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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allroad one said:
Get a few hints Tesla this is how you do it

This


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= an attractive, well laid out interior of good quality and not a hideous plastic dash with a huge iPad stuck down.
Its about ergonomics.

I thought this used to be a TVR forum?

Could get a few hints with the materials here then from the pros;
Layouts based on the idea that you can waste a load of space in the middle because there is a transmission tunnel - which the Volvo presumably doesn't even have. Tesla shouldn't be doing dumb things just because that's how it used to have to be done.

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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durbster said:
Tuna said:
After years of advancements in ride and handling, it's depressing that the huge torque you can get from an electric motor is apparently the only criteria to judge a car by.
Why is it the only criteria?
Agreed.

I've ordered a tesla because I want power, economy, simplicity and refinement from my daily driver. Having huge torque if/when you want it is just its party piece.


WestyCarl

3,217 posts

124 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Tuna said:
After years of advancements in ride and handling, it's depressing that the huge torque you can get from an electric motor is apparently the only criteria to judge a car by.
I've driven a Tesla and the handling is actually good due to the very low COG and (for the 4WD models) instantaneous torque vectoring from the electric motors.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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hornetrider said:
allroad one said:
Get a few hints Tesla this is how you do it

This
Is that a Renault?!
Renault Espace

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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otolith said:
allroad one said:
Get a few hints Tesla this is how you do it

This


+ this


= an attractive, well laid out interior of good quality and not a hideous plastic dash with a huge iPad stuck down.
Its about ergonomics.

I thought this used to be a TVR forum?

Could get a few hints with the materials here then from the pros;
Layouts based on the idea that you can waste a load of space in the middle because there is a transmission tunnel - which the Volvo presumably doesn't even have. Tesla shouldn't be doing dumb things just because that's how it used to have to be done.
Its called a centre console.. It is helpful and looks attractive..how many times do I have to say that the Tesla is a £100k car that looks like a Dacia..

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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It's just what you're used to. Like wanting a big box on the back of a flat screen TV because your old CRT telly had one and you used to put things on it.

fiatpower

3,005 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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otolith said:
It's just what you're used to. Like wanting a big box on the back of a flat screen TV because your old CRT telly had one and you used to put things on it.
Yeah it's what you're used to but it is also useful. A big gap where the transmission tunnel would be is useless. You can't put a seat there, no one with the exception of a middle passenger in the rear seats gains any legroom and you lose somewhere to put drinks, phone, change etc.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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fiatpower said:
otolith said:
It's just what you're used to. Like wanting a big box on the back of a flat screen TV because your old CRT telly had one and you used to put things on it.
Yeah it's what you're used to but it is also useful. A big gap where the transmission tunnel would be is useless. You can't put a seat there, no one with the exception of a middle passenger in the rear seats gains any legroom and you lose somewhere to put drinks, phone, change etc.
This

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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The model S has armrests and cup holders between the seats and a large oddments tray where the transmission tunnel / centre console would be. The provisional pictures of the model 3 have a more conventional arrangement, which seems a step back.

Slow

6,973 posts

136 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Not all cars have a normal center console

Honda Civic and Ridgeline spring to mind as recent vehicles.





Dad has the ridgeline and the center box is very smart and usefull space as its very deep. Wouldnt call it a full center console designed round a transmission as its a pickup so it sits low on the body.

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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allroad one said:
Its called a centre console.. It is helpful and looks attractive..how many times do I have to say that the Tesla is a £100k car that looks like a Dacia..
You can keep on saying it, and we'll keep on ignoring you.

Fair enough?

Artey

757 posts

105 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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otolith said:
Layouts based on the idea that you can waste a load of space in the middle because there is a transmission tunnel - which the Volvo presumably doesn't even have. Tesla shouldn't be doing dumb things just because that's how it used to have to be done.
Transmission tunnel in a front wheel driven car? His point was that you can have an eyepleasing and functional design where spending hours on end is a pleasure rather than a chore. Both Volvo and Renault interiors are very welcoming and light years ahead of Tesla's minimalistic by necessity - to keep the cost down - interiors. Dacia does the same cost saving exercise although in different class.

Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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otolith said:
Layouts based on the idea that you can waste a load of space in the middle because there is a transmission tunnel - which the Volvo presumably doesn't even have. Tesla shouldn't be doing dumb things just because that's how it used to have to be done.
I'm not seeing Tesla pushing many boundaries when it comes to design or styling really (though I'm sure the fans see it in a different light). The Model 3 appears to be very conventional in styling given the amount of freedom they have with the underlying platform. It's true they don't need a front grille, but they've not really come up with anything better - the nose just looks unresolved to me.

As for the interiors, no-one's convinced me that they're anything but the result of limited resources. Jaguar spent a fortune on design exercises around touch screen controls and came to the conclusion that physical dials and buttons are both easier to use and safer to locate when you're driving. I gather Musk has promised something more for the Model 3, but so far the pictures are positively underwhelming.


otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Artey said:
Transmission tunnel in a front wheel driven car?
My point exactly. In most cases they are a hangover from an expectation of what the inside of a "premium" car should look like rather than a rational part of the architecture.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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And it's also worth noting that traditionalists harking after the past aren't core customers for Tesla.

Krikkit

26,500 posts

180 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Artey said:
otolith said:
Layouts based on the idea that you can waste a load of space in the middle because there is a transmission tunnel - which the Volvo presumably doesn't even have. Tesla shouldn't be doing dumb things just because that's how it used to have to be done.
Transmission tunnel in a front wheel driven car? His point was that you can have an eyepleasing and functional design where spending hours on end is a pleasure rather than a chore. Both Volvo and Renault interiors are very welcoming and light years ahead of Tesla's minimalistic by necessity - to keep the cost down - interiors. Dacia does the same cost saving exercise although in different class.
Usually used as a route for handbrake cabling and exhaust these days - it lets you take 5cm off the ride height.

Artey

757 posts

105 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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otolith said:
And it's also worth noting that traditionalists harking after the past aren't core customers for Tesla.
Just because some people don't jump on any odd st that the silicone valley comes up with to keep the hype alive and the VC money flow in doesn't make them a) traditionalists b) in any way worse than you. Not having tactical feedback sucks. You can't simply pretend that designs built and improved over decades suddenly become redundant just because someone like Musk cuts corners everywhere except battery and propulsion to stay relatively competitive. Don't believe the hype.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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I am sure there is a market for cars that are more conventionally styled inside. Early adopters of electric cars, trading on novelty, technology, and modernity, not that market.