Tesla Model 3 revealed

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DonkeyApple

55,179 posts

169 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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jamoor said:
Mazda take this a step further.

A mixture of vehicles on a single assembly line.
Leyland did that decades ago. smile

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Leyland did that decades ago. smile
Indeed, look where that got them.

Dan_1981

17,382 posts

199 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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jamoor said:
z06tim said:
Running RHD and LHD down the same line is commonplace in the industry, in fact much more model differentiation is possible.

It's just normal for smaller volume markets to hit production later, as things like homologation for that market and the ramp-up to hit demand in the domestic market take time.
Mazda take this a step further.

A mixture of vehicles on a single assembly line.
As do JLR

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
jamoor said:
Mazda take this a step further.

A mixture of vehicles on a single assembly line.
Leyland did that decades ago. smile
If you were unlucky, a mixture of vehicles on a single vehicle ...

manracer

1,544 posts

97 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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c1derman said:
The intention of the super charger network is to assist in long distance travel. This notion has been supported by the charger credit system that was introduced for all new cars from the mid of January. As you pointed out you will have a full battery when you set off and can fill again overnight. So really you want to be checking the location of chargers circa 150 miles away :-)
Yeah I'm aware of that, I'm merely pointing out that i can get a full charge while doing the shop. I'll be opting for the supercharging as it will come on very useful for longer distance travel and when going over the channel. There is also a SC outside my gym so any excuse for a recharge!

babatunde

736 posts

190 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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z06tim said:
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I agree RHD will be some time behind "Job 1". 18 months to two years behind would be my guess too.
I think end of 2018 delivery most UK preorders, I also realistically think £45k which is pretty much the same price as a BMW 335d with decent spec.
Downside is lease prices will remain very high. yes I know that bearded company directors aren't supposed to lease cars
Once they become a bit more mainstream and people realise how cheap they are to run the residuals will start rising which means lease deals will become affordable.

DonkeyApple

55,179 posts

169 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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jamoor said:
DonkeyApple said:
Leyland did that decades ago. smile
Indeed, look where that got them.
I'm guessing Mazda do it deliberately and as part of their plan though. wink

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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A photo taken inside the Fremont factory last week, showing a Model 3 chassis...



anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Tuna said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's just not a premium product when you get past the new tech, which is fine until the competition arrives.
Arguably the competition has already arrived. Chevvy do a car that is very competitive to the Model 3 and has been out for nine months or so now. However, Tesla have that 'Apple glow' to them that convinces people they're buying something unique. Despite consumer bodies and governments getting quite vocal about things like Autopilot not actually being all that different to standard cruise control on mainstream cars, we still get breathless pieces in the media about how the 'future is here'. It shows how little they pay attention to the rest of the car industry.

The question is how long the premium can be maintained. It's taken years for people to realise that the iPhone is not necessarily the best phone ever.
Tesla had the "iPhone effect" to their advantage. When te iPhone was released in 2007, it was genuinely ahead of the competiion, having a single piece fully touch screen design and being far faster than any other phone. People are still "stunned". Tesla, came to the public light a few years ago and people thought "Wow! A Car that can drive itself!". Everyone is catching up now but Tesla/Apple were the pioneers - and they will retain that position in the market no matter how st the car/phone is

Plug Life

978 posts

91 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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George111 said:
It does look reasonably good . . . except the flat nose biggrin

Could they not have given it a grill of some sort ? It looks like an airfix kit where somebody has forgotten to break the front out of it and fit the grill.
The problem is not the missing grill but the ugly shaping remaining there. You can have a nice nose without a front grill.



Edited by Plug Life on Monday 20th February 17:22

Slow

6,973 posts

137 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Plug Life said:
George111 said:
It does look reasonably good . . . except the flat nose biggrin

Could they not have given it a grill of some sort ? It looks like an airfix kit where somebody has forgotten to break the front out of it and fit the grill.
The problem is not the missing grill but the ugly shaping remaining there. You can have a nice nose without a front grill.



Edited by Plug Life on Monday 20th February 17:22
That car would look good with a fat man taking a st on the bonnet. Its a low sleek sporty car, of course its shape is nicer than a 3 series size car.

Just wait for some company to produce a vinyl grill sticker to put on the front.

Plug Life

978 posts

91 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Slow said:
That car would look good with a fat man taking a st on the bonnet. Its a low sleek sporty car, of course its shape is nicer than a 3 series size car.

Just wait for some company to produce a vinyl grill sticker to put on the front.
It's not the lowness it's that they left that "lip" there after removing the grill without a top closure like on the Model S and X. If the Porsche had that dumb "Neo mouth" there, would look the same ste, low or not.

dxg

8,184 posts

260 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Perhaps you guys might be interested in this:
https://youtu.be/54jQ7ut3FBA?t=7m30s

DonkeyApple

55,179 posts

169 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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dxg said:
Perhaps you guys might be interested in this:
https://youtu.be/54jQ7ut3FBA?t=7m30s
I have no idea what language he is speaking, however at 8:18 he says he has a butt converter. That's when he began to scare me.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Update from Tesla:

“Model 3 vehicle development, supply chain and manufacturing are on track to support volume deliveries in the second half of 2017. In early February, we began building Model 3 prototypes as part of our ongoing testing of the vehicle design and manufacturing processes. Initial crash test results have been positive, and all Model 3-related sourcing is on plan to support the start of production in July. Installation of Model 3 manufacturing equipment is underway in Fremont and at Gigafactory 1, where in January, we began production of battery cells for energy storage products, which have the same form-factor as the cells that will be used in Model 3.”

Their predicted ramp-up means they could manufacture up to 50,000 model 3s by the end of 2017.

Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Thursday 23 February 09:26

stuckmojo

2,971 posts

188 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Update from Tesla:

“Model 3 vehicle development, supply chain and manufacturing are on track to support volume deliveries in the second half of 2017. In early February, we began building Model 3 prototypes as part of our ongoing testing of the vehicle design and manufacturing processes. Initial crash test results have been positive, and all Model 3-related sourcing is on plan to support the start of production in July. Installation of Model 3 manufacturing equipment is underway in Fremont and at Gigafactory 1, where in January, we began production of battery cells for energy storage products, which have the same form-factor as the cells that will be used in Model 3.”

Their predicted ramp-up means they could manufacture up to 50,000 model 3s by the end of 2017.

Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Thursday 23 February 09:26
Very clever. As a Supply Chain guy the sentence which caught my attention is "in January, we began production of battery cells for energy storage products, which have the same form-factor as the cells that will be used in Model 3.”




jkh112

21,975 posts

158 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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FurtiveFreddy said:
I reserved before the launch. Just a few hours before, but enough that I'm confident I'll be one of the first few hundred UK owners.

Even allowing for the fact that RHD cars for the UK won't be a priority and they'll be supplying staff and Californians before anyone else, the resources Tesla are currently putting in place for parts, production and supply chain management doesn't give me any reason to think I'll be waiting until August 2018 for mine.
Elon tweeted on Friday that RHD model 3 cars will not be delivered before summer next year. Sounds a lot like August 2018 to me.

Edited by jkh112 on Sunday 26th March 08:35

p1stonhead

25,529 posts

167 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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jkh112 said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
I reserved before the launch. Just a few hours before, but enough that I'm confident I'll be one of the first few hundred UK owners.

Even allowing for the fact that RHD cars for the UK won't be a priority and they'll be supplying staff and Californians before anyone else, the resources Tesla are currently putting in place for parts, production and supply chain management doesn't give me any reason to think I'll be waiting until August 2018 for mine.
Elon tweeted on Friday that RHD model 3 cars will not be delivered before summer next year. Sounds a lot like August 2018 to me.

Edited by jkh112 on Sunday 26th March 08:35
That's about where it was originally thought wasn't it? I was expecting early 2019 to be honest.

jkh112

21,975 posts

158 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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A lot of people did think that is around where we were likely to see them in the UK. Not everyone though!

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Update from Tesla:

“Model 3 vehicle development, supply chain and manufacturing are on track to support volume deliveries in the second half of 2017. In early February, we began building Model 3 prototypes as part of our ongoing testing of the vehicle design and manufacturing processes. Initial crash test results have been positive, and all Model 3-related sourcing is on plan to support the start of production in July.
I'm sorry to anyone that has ordered one because they are either dreaming with those timings or more likely, just lying about the true development timing so they can slip it a few months back when July approaches and keep people interested. You don't start the prototype build 5 months before you start building in volume when that prototype build will take a couple of months to complete. 3 months to test/verify/refine is a joke. And it's not like Tesla have good form on delivering vehicles on time to good standards. Volume production in Q4 of 2017 is more likely.

Edited by mstrbkr on Sunday 26th March 09:24