Tesla Model 3 revealed

[BigBen]

Tuna said:

Jaguar spent a fortune on design exercises around touch screen controls and came to the conclusion that physical dials and buttons are both easier to use and safer to locate when you're driving.

Yet decided to ignore their expensively discovered conclusion by basing control of their cars around touch screen controls anyway? Or perhaps those executing the studies only had access to the touchscreens used in Jaguar XFs which is laggy as hell so probably unsafe as it makes the driver angry!

[anonymous-user]

AW111 said:

You can keep on saying it, and we'll keep on ignoring you.

Fair enough?

bah humbug

[Troubleatmill]

Slow said:

Not all cars have a normal center console
Honda Civic and Ridgeline spring to mind as recent vehicles.

when this came out - I thought it was arse gravy...
But after a while... I though why would you not have the gear stick a few centimetres from the wheel.
Why move your hand 35-40cms every time you want to change gear?

Sometimes, when you see a very clever idea... it takes a little time to adjust to it.

[Tuna]

BigBen said:

Tuna said:

Jaguar spent a fortune on design exercises around touch screen controls and came to the conclusion that physical dials and buttons are both easier to use and safer to locate when you're driving.

Yet decided to ignore their expensively discovered conclusion by basing control of their cars around touch screen controls anyway? Or perhaps those executing the studies only had access to the touchscreens used in Jaguar XFs which is laggy as hell so probably unsafe as it makes the driver angry!

These were studies done over a decade ago... new blood often forgets what the old blood learned.

[BigBen]

Tuna said:

BigBen said:

Tuna said:

Jaguar spent a fortune on design exercises around touch screen controls and came to the conclusion that physical dials and buttons are both easier to use and safer to locate when you're driving.

Yet decided to ignore their expensively discovered conclusion by basing control of their cars around touch screen controls anyway? Or perhaps those executing the studies only had access to the touchscreens used in Jaguar XFs which is laggy as hell so probably unsafe as it makes the driver angry!

These were studies done over a decade ago... new blood often forgets what the old blood learned.

FWIW I think the studies were correct. Then again consumers are now very used to touch screen based UI which was not so much the case over a decade ago.

[Artey]

BigBen said:

Tuna said:

BigBen said:

Tuna said:

Jaguar spent a fortune on design exercises around touch screen controls and came to the conclusion that physical dials and buttons are both easier to use and safer to locate when you're driving.

Yet decided to ignore their expensively discovered conclusion by basing control of their cars around touch screen controls anyway? Or perhaps those executing the studies only had access to the touchscreens used in Jaguar XFs which is laggy as hell so probably unsafe as it makes the driver angry!

These were studies done over a decade ago... new blood often forgets what the old blood learned.

FWIW I think the studies were correct. Then again consumers are now very used to touch screen based UI which was not so much the case over a decade ago.

Mechanics of how one uses touchscreen vs controls with tactical feedback and what happens when you need to take your eyes of the road to select specific control/setting vs when you just grab it and it's there haven't changed. Even if you're used to touchscreens. It's one of the main reasons that will lead to absolute dumbification of drivers and as a result will be a great excuse for authorities to push for autonomous driving.

[skyrover]

Artey said:

It's one of the main reasons that will lead to absolute dumbification of drivers and as a result will be a great excuse for authorities to push for autonomous driving.

Just not going to happen for a very very long time.

FAR too many issues to overcome.

[otolith]

Haptic touchscreens will be along soon to render the point moot.

[Blaster72]

otolith said:

Haptic touchscreens will be along soon to render the point moot.

I don't think feedback is the issue, its more trying to hit the right place on the screen when you're driving along. I don't think anyone has come up with a better control then some sort of dial or knob, steering wheel controls I think are the best solution and Tesla already has these. I'm not a big fan of the massive slab screen in the Model S, I have a feeling it'll get dated quickly and Model X users are already having a bit of trouble with reflections from the massive panoramic roof.

To be fair as a first stab at a family saloon car, Tesla have done a fantastic job just didn't go to town on the interior.

[feef]

Blaster72 said:

otolith said:

Haptic touchscreens will be along soon to render the point moot.

I don't think feedback is the issue, its more trying to hit the right place on the screen when you're driving along. I don't think anyone has come up with a better control then some sort of dial or knob, steering wheel controls I think are the best solution and Tesla already has these. I'm not a big fan of the massive slab screen in the Model S, I have a feeling it'll get dated quickly and Model X users are already having a bit of trouble with reflections from the massive panoramic roof.

To be fair as a first stab at a family saloon car, Tesla have done a fantastic job just didn't go to town on the interior.

The next step in tactile interfaces are the textured touchscreens which will actually have physical 'buttons' on the touchscreen and can be configured along with the display view

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35232827

[Artey]

otolith said:

Haptic touchscreens will be along soon to render the point moot.

It won't. In fact it's already been deployed a few years back and proven to be rubbish and generally hated by drivers.

It's about having a physical input which can be operated without thinking. Can you imagine a gun with touch sensitive trigger?

[Artey]

feef said:

The next step in tactile interfaces are the textured touchscreens which will actually have physical 'buttons' on the touchscreen and can be configured along with the display view

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35232827

That's brilliant, so we replace physical knobs and buttons with touchscreens in the name of flexibility and progress and then add physical layer imitating buttons on top of those touchscreens which limit their flexibility. So not only do we spend billions on a pointless exercise but we also end up with an interface that is worse than the original. That's what VC's in Silicone Valley call a dream come true.

[AnotherClarkey]

Artey said:

That's brilliant, so we replace physical knobs and buttons with touchscreens in the name of flexibility and progress and then add physical layer imitating buttons on top of those touchscreens which limit their flexibility. So not only do we spend billions on a pointless exercise but we also end up with an interface that is worse than the original. That's what VC's in Silicone Valley call a dream come true.

I suspect that 'silicone valley' is something quite different than what you think it is.

[Blaster72]

AnotherClarkey said:

I suspect that 'silicone valley' is something quite different than what you think it is.

[Artey]

AnotherClarkey said:

I suspect that 'silicone valley' is something quite different than what you think it is.

Lol, nothing better than a constructive come back which adds substance to the discussion.

[AnotherClarkey]

Artey said:

AnotherClarkey said:

I suspect that 'silicone valley' is something quite different than what you think it is.

Lol, nothing better than a constructive come back which adds substance to the discussion.

Only trying to address your lack of materials knowledge. Sheesh, you try and be constructive and people just get touchy.

[Artey]

AnotherClarkey said:

Only trying to address your lack of materials knowledge. Sheesh, you try and be constructive and people just get touchy.

Calm down, I can see from the typos that you got really menstrual.

Good advice for the future. If you want to be a bullying smart ass who feels the need to point out an innocent mistake to make himself look big make sure that you can pull it off till the end. Stay cool and keep the momentum throughout the whole situation. Otherwise you'll end up looking like a bit of a tit who thinks he can win the war but is incapable of winning one single battle. Like you did here.

[AnotherClarkey]

Artey said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Only trying to address your lack of materials knowledge. Sheesh, you try and be constructive and people just get touchy.

Calm down, I can see from the typos that you got really menstrual.

Good advice for the future. If you want to be a bullying smart ass who feels the need to point out an innocent mistake to make himself look big make sure that you can pull it off till the end. Stay cool and keep the momentum throughout the whole situation. Otherwise you'll end up looking like a bit of a tit who thinks he can win the war but is incapable of winning one single battle. Like you did here.

LOL

[Artey]

AnotherClarkey said:

Artey said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Only trying to address your lack of materials knowledge. Sheesh, you try and be constructive and people just get touchy.

Calm down, I can see from the typos that you got really menstrual.

Good advice for the future. If you want to be a bullying smart ass who feels the need to point out an innocent mistake to make himself look big make sure that you can pull it off till the end. Stay cool and keep the momentum throughout the whole situation. Otherwise you'll end up looking like a bit of a tit who thinks he can win the war but is incapable of winning one single battle. Like you did here.

LOL

Exactly.

[otolith]

Artey said:

feef said:

The next step in tactile interfaces are the textured touchscreens which will actually have physical 'buttons' on the touchscreen and can be configured along with the display view

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35232827

That's brilliant, so we replace physical knobs and buttons with touchscreens in the name of flexibility and progress and then add physical layer imitating buttons on top of those touchscreens which limit their flexibility. So not only do we spend billions on a pointless exercise but we also end up with an interface that is worse than the original. That's what VC's in Silicone Valley call a dream come true.

There are technologies which create a virtual texture to the surface - so you get the flexibility of a touch screen with the tactility of physical controls.

The basic problem is that modern cars have too many features to be sensibly laid out in a set of physical buttons and switches. It's fine for my Lotus, with three knobs and four buttons, but the UI of modern cars is just awful when implemented that way.