RE: BMW M2: Review

[vz-r_dave]

D200 said:

vz-r_dave said:

All that money for a car with a wonky drivers seat? I couldn't deal with not being able to sit straight. Wonky heel and toe can't be easy. That would put me off If I am honest.

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration. Tell me what other car for money is better?

Btw nearly every rhd car sold in UK will have slightly offset pedals seats etc. inc British Made cars. And certainly all mercs Audi Porsche ford Ferrari etc

Very few cars aren't, fact.

Plus you could easily buy a lhd one.

I actually own a lhd 4 pot (the shame) 80s bmw so no such problems for me.

I assume you also have a lhd car?

Spent 5 years in Germany driving a LHD, drove it here in the UK as well. It was a Saab however so a bit larger. Seats and pedals seemed pretty aligned to me tho

[rb5er]

nickfrog said:

Those seats are nothing short of superb ergonomically and keep you in the right position even on track with a g-lock.
They are well aligned with a £50k price tag.

I can only assume this is a joke post.

[scherzkeks]

D200 said:

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration. Tell me what other car for money is better?

Btw nearly every rhd car sold in UK will have slightly offset pedals seats etc. inc British Made cars. And certainly all mercs Audi Porsche ford Ferrari etc

Very few cars aren't, fact.

Plus you could easily buy a lhd one.

I actually own a lhd 4 pot (the shame) 80s bmw so no such problems for me.

I assume you also have a lhd car?

Looked pretty wonky in the MT review. Pointing at the left front headlight. The ultimate driving machine.

Anyways, better is a pretty subjective term. The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

[vz-r_dave]

scherzkeks said:

D200 said:

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration. Tell me what other car for money is better?

Btw nearly every rhd car sold in UK will have slightly offset pedals seats etc. inc British Made cars. And certainly all mercs Audi Porsche ford Ferrari etc

Very few cars aren't, fact.

Plus you could easily buy a lhd one.

I actually own a lhd 4 pot (the shame) 80s bmw so no such problems for me.

I assume you also have a lhd car?

Looked pretty wonky in the MT review. Pointing at the left front headlight. The ultimate driving machine.

Anyways, better is a pretty subjective term. The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

It is practical if you and your family / friends are all under 5'4 with a petit build and you only carry shopping and golf clubs. Otherwise it may as well have no back seats or a boot.

[aeropilot]

vz-r_dave said:

scherzkeks said:

D200 said:

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration. Tell me what other car for money is better?

Btw nearly every rhd car sold in UK will have slightly offset pedals seats etc. inc British Made cars. And certainly all mercs Audi Porsche ford Ferrari etc

Very few cars aren't, fact.

Plus you could easily buy a lhd one.

I actually own a lhd 4 pot (the shame) 80s bmw so no such problems for me.

I assume you also have a lhd car?

Looked pretty wonky in the MT review. Pointing at the left front headlight. The ultimate driving machine.

Anyways, better is a pretty subjective term. The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

It is practical if you and your family / friends are all under 5'4 with a petit build and you only carry shopping and golf clubs. Otherwise it may as well have no back seats or a boot.

Says the man who clearly hasn't owned one.....

What you're guessing wouldn't apply to the old E82 coupe, let alone the 2 Series coupe which is a little bigger.

Never the facts get in the way of a good rant though.

[rb5er]

D200 said:

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration.

Not an exageration at all:

[p1stonhead]

rb5er said:

D200 said:

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration.

Not an exageration at all:

Very odd and obviously not exagerated. Loads of reviews have mentioned it.

[D200]

rb5er said:

That wonky seat would certainly be a no go for me. I couldn't deal with that even if I could get passed the poor choice of seats. Now I aee why there is no upgrade option. Looking at the video it is indeed very wonky and nothing like just offset pedals like the old 130i which I found irritating enough.

I have never seen or bought a car with a seat pointing off at a funny angle like that. Not sure which cars you are saying are similar. Thats a wonky seat which is not the same as some cars having offset pedals.

I have just watch the MT vid you are referring to this morning

You both are going on about the so called shockingly wonky sear –and fast forward to 11 mins etc.

So completely ignore everything else in the vid where they heaped massive praise on the car and absolutely love it.

They gave the M2 a good a review as any car. I watch all MT vid and I think they praised that more than any car, any price they ever tested.

But who cares about all that, fast forward to the 20 second part of the entire vid when they mention the seat?

Evo and Autocar has no issue with the seats or seating position etc

[D200]

vz-r_dave said:

Spent 5 years in Germany driving a LHD, drove it here in the UK as well. It was a Saab however so a bit larger. Seats and pedals seemed pretty aligned to me tho

Very good.

I hope you drive only LHD cars when in the UK at all times and will never buy any RHD car form any of the manufactures as stated [as they are obviously completely un-drivable crooked sideways heaps] otherwise you would be a complete hypocrite. As the fact is, 90% RHD cars have slight offsets

Ah, a Saab, the paragon of handling finesse, steering feel, performance and so on - I’m sure this Saab was a much better car than a sty BMW M2 in every possible way

[rb5er]

D200 said:

I have just watch the MT vid you are referring to this morning

You both are going on about the so called shockingly wonky sear –and fast forward to 11 mins etc.

So completely ignore everything else in the vid where they heaped massive praise on the car and absolutely love it.

I don't think anyone has disagreed with the apparent fact that the car is a hoot to drive.

Are you saying that something as ridiculous at a pissed seat can't be criticised?

And when you say "you both" you surely realise that theres a few more than 2 people just in this thread that find this unnaceptable? (4 on this very page)

Stop the thread everyone....no criticism allowed....

Do you still think the seat being wonky is an exageration having actually seen the pic?

Edited by rb5er on Wednesday 20th April 11:11

[vz-r_dave]

D200 said:

vz-r_dave said:

Spent 5 years in Germany driving a LHD, drove it here in the UK as well. It was a Saab however so a bit larger. Seats and pedals seemed pretty aligned to me tho

Very good.

I hope you drive only LHD cars when in the UK at all times and will never buy any RHD car form any of the manufactures as stated [as they are obviously completely un-drivable crooked sideways heaps] otherwise you would be a complete hypocrite. As the fact is, 90% RHD cars have slight offsets

Ah, a Saab, the paragon of handling finesse, steering feel, performance and so on - I’m sure this Saab was a much better car than a sty BMW M2 in every possible way

It was terrible but then my other car whilst I was in Germany way an Integra Type R and it really doesn't get much better than that for the above stated variables now does it? Seat wasn't wonky either!

I haven't said the M2 is st, I have said that the seat is wonky and that I don't buy the practicality call outs.

[vz-r_dave]

aeropilot said:

vz-r_dave said:

scherzkeks said:

D200 said:

Wonky seat, a slight exaggeration. Tell me what other car for money is better?

Btw nearly every rhd car sold in UK will have slightly offset pedals seats etc. inc British Made cars. And certainly all mercs Audi Porsche ford Ferrari etc

Very few cars aren't, fact.

Plus you could easily buy a lhd one.

I actually own a lhd 4 pot (the shame) 80s bmw so no such problems for me.

I assume you also have a lhd car?

Looked pretty wonky in the MT review. Pointing at the left front headlight. The ultimate driving machine.

Anyways, better is a pretty subjective term. The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

It is practical if you and your family / friends are all under 5'4 with a petit build and you only carry shopping and golf clubs. Otherwise it may as well have no back seats or a boot.

Says the man who clearly hasn't owned one.....

What you're guessing wouldn't apply to the old E82 coupe, let alone the 2 Series coupe which is a little bigger.

Never the facts get in the way of a good rant though.

I might be over exaggerating on the leg room piece as I am 6'5 but there is no doubting that the interior of this car is tiny and not practical for the average family man. How ever it shouldn't need to be practical as it is an M car. BMW should have removed all elements of practicality and made it really special

[vz-r_dave]

ash73 said:

scherzkeks said:

The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

You must be joking.

Go on then, name a better car for £45K.

If you're not limited to the UK

Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 and it does that with ease, driver experience, engine, noise, the looks, the lot! Oh and no panzie seats either

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt350/

[nickfrog]

rb5er said:

nickfrog said:

Those seats are nothing short of superb ergonomically and keep you in the right position even on track with a g-lock.
They are well aligned with a £50k price tag.

I can only assume this is a joke post.

No. Why and what part ? How many track and road miles have you done in them ?

[Clivey]

scherzkeks said:

Anyways, better is a pretty subjective term. The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

When we look for a new car, we generally try to "get away with" the least practical / most fun option. Some of the M2's rivals (A45, RS3 etc.) may have more practical bodystyles etc. but there are only 2 of us and we don't need that stuff. Why saddle yourself with a 5-door hatch if you can have something more interesting? The M2 is practical enough for occasionally taking our parents to visit relatives or fit in enough luggage to go on holiday.

If you've looked at my profile, you'll see that we do have the Discovery so that could allow our other cars to be less practical if we wanted!

I'm actually wondering if a Boxster / Cayman would be suitable for my wife's commuting (she takes the Mini at present). She wants a Mustang GT but she does quite high mileage and the (lack of) fuel economy would probably be a step too far, sadly.

[rb5er]

nickfrog said:

rb5er said:

nickfrog said:

Those seats are nothing short of superb ergonomically and keep you in the right position even on track with a g-lock.
They are well aligned with a £50k price tag.

I can only assume this is a joke post.

No. Why and what part ? How many track and road miles have you done in them ?

I have sat in the seats enough to know that they are average at best for a performance car.

When I read you thought they were well aligned I thought this was a joke as they are in the piss and sat wonky as per previous pics.

Obviously you meant you thought they were fine for a £45k car. They may be reasonable on a car worth £30k although most manufacturers would provide something much better even at this price point (see focus RS and Renaultsport offerings) but it seems I'm far from alone in feeling they are quite lacklustre to look at and sit in.

[scherzkeks]

Clivey said:

When we look for a new car, we generally try to "get away with" the least practical / most fun option.

I think everyone who likes driving does this if they own one car to do it all. If not, it would make more sense (to me) to just buy a Cayman, GT86 or something else focused more on the drive, and then have something practical, but still enjoyable, for the rest. I just don't really care for the concept of the M2. In hatch form, it would make more sense to me.

[vz-r_dave]

ash73 said:

vz-r_dave said:

ash73 said:

scherzkeks said:

The M2 isn't very practical nor is it a true sports car. So I could think of a lot of better cars depending on one's needs.

You must be joking.

Go on then, name a better car for £45K.

If you're not limited to the UK

Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 and it does that with ease, driver experience, engine, noise, the looks, the lot! Oh and no panzie seats either

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt350/

That would be an interesting comparison. I'd love a Mustang if I was living in America but IMHO you'd look like a knob sitting in a queue of traffic in the UK. And it would cost twice as much here, and the quality would not be in the same league. Fun car though.

You do realize that the GT costs 30k here right? What makes you so sure this would come in at twice the cost in GBP? I would say given the price point of the GT that this would come in close to the 45K of the M2.

As for looking like knob, it's subjective, remove the stripes and it looks so much better than the BMW.

Another Planet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbbNlkP-ZSM

Watch and learn, note the mention of the affordability at the beginning as well as the 500+ HP you get for less (in the US than the M2)...... jokers

Edited by vz-r_dave on Wednesday 20th April 14:15

Edited by vz-r_dave on Wednesday 20th April 14:16

[nickfrog]

rb5er said:

nickfrog said:

rb5er said:

nickfrog said:

Those seats are nothing short of superb ergonomically and keep you in the right position even on track with a g-lock.
They are well aligned with a £50k price tag.

I can only assume this is a joke post.

No. Why and what part ? How many track and road miles have you done in them ?

I have sat in the seats enough to know that they are average at best for a performance car.

When I read you thought they were well aligned I thought this was a joke as they are in the piss and sat wonky as per previous pics.

Obviously you meant you thought they were fine for a £45k car. They may be reasonable on a car worth £30k although most manufacturers would provide something much better even at this price point (see focus RS and Renaultsport offerings) but it seems I'm far from alone in feeling they are quite lacklustre to look at and sit in

I get it now. You've done zero miles in them whether on the road or track and they don't look flash, which some people agree with. No M2 for you sadly.

[rb5er]

nickfrog said:

I get it now. You've done zero miles in them whether on the road or track and they don't look flash, which some people agree with. No M2 for you sadly.

No you obviously don't get it as I have done hundreds if not thousands of miles in them. They do not have the lateral support of a proper sporty seat that would come in a sporty 250bhp car.

Although you obviously do get that they don't look at all flash in a £45k car which they should.