RE: BMW M2: Review
Discussion
RB5,
You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car interior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personally I think even VW Polo has better quality interior than a Focus. The reviews of the FRS mentioned this, thought the interior was a bit crap for a 35-40k car. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
Dave,
The Saab was terrible but it has nice seats therefore much better than an M2 no doubt.
OK, stick to purely 90’s Jap stuff then and you will be fine – the main competitors to the M2 are obviously 1990’s Japanese coupes, everyone knows this…
Funny enough I actually hard an intergra type 1 – the intergra while great handling is very harsh, noisy, not very practical, def not an everyday car – I actually preferred the Accord Type R I had at same time.
But regardless you are comparing a 90’s Japanese car that has been out of production this last 15 years to the M2.
Also, if you think a whatever model of Saab you had is infinitely better than the crappy M2 this is totally fine, each to their own, I just disagree one billion percent
You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car interior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personally I think even VW Polo has better quality interior than a Focus. The reviews of the FRS mentioned this, thought the interior was a bit crap for a 35-40k car. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
Dave,
The Saab was terrible but it has nice seats therefore much better than an M2 no doubt.
OK, stick to purely 90’s Jap stuff then and you will be fine – the main competitors to the M2 are obviously 1990’s Japanese coupes, everyone knows this…
Funny enough I actually hard an intergra type 1 – the intergra while great handling is very harsh, noisy, not very practical, def not an everyday car – I actually preferred the Accord Type R I had at same time.
But regardless you are comparing a 90’s Japanese car that has been out of production this last 15 years to the M2.
Also, if you think a whatever model of Saab you had is infinitely better than the crappy M2 this is totally fine, each to their own, I just disagree one billion percent
Edited by D200 on Wednesday 20th April 14:21
D200 said:
RB5,
You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car intertior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personnaly I think a even VW Polo has better quality interior than a focus. The reviews of the FRS mentioned this, though the interior was a bit crap for a 35-40k car. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
Dave,
The Saab was terrible but it has nice seats therefore much better than an M2 no doubt.
OK, stick to purely 90’s Jap stuff then and you will be fine – the main competitors to the M2 are obviously 1990’s Japanese coupes, everyone knows this…
Funny enough I actually hard an intergra type 1 – the intergra while great handling is very harsh, noisy, not very practical, def not an everyday car – I actually preferred the Accord Type I had at same time.
But regardless you are comparing a 90’s Japanese car that has been out of production this last 15 years to the M2.
Also, if you think a whatever model of Saab you had is infinitely better than the crappy M2 this is totally fine, each to their own, I just disagree one billion percent
You are now going way off topic dude, I mentioned the Integra due to your snidey comments about my poor Saab (which is in heaven). I was not comparing old Honda to the M2 no way. You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car intertior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personnaly I think a even VW Polo has better quality interior than a focus. The reviews of the FRS mentioned this, though the interior was a bit crap for a 35-40k car. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
Dave,
The Saab was terrible but it has nice seats therefore much better than an M2 no doubt.
OK, stick to purely 90’s Jap stuff then and you will be fine – the main competitors to the M2 are obviously 1990’s Japanese coupes, everyone knows this…
Funny enough I actually hard an intergra type 1 – the intergra while great handling is very harsh, noisy, not very practical, def not an everyday car – I actually preferred the Accord Type I had at same time.
But regardless you are comparing a 90’s Japanese car that has been out of production this last 15 years to the M2.
Also, if you think a whatever model of Saab you had is infinitely better than the crappy M2 this is totally fine, each to their own, I just disagree one billion percent
Where are you getting the idea I think the Saab is better? I mentioned that the seats were not wonky, that was it. There is nothing wrong with discussing the negative points of a car, there is a bit of trolling going on obviously but its banter. Take it easy
I saw one driving round Plymouth last Sunday. Soon as I saw the flash of turquoise in my rear view mirror, I knew immediately what was coming up behind me! Looked awesome, although possibly a little jacked up from behind, which I thought odd considering there was at least four people in the car, and the wheels a little too glossy. Not sure if I'm into the whole gloss black/diamond cut look. Managed to get alongside again for another all too brief look (too busy watching where I was actually going) and despite my taste in wheels, I still found it most pleasing to see out in the wild. That paint colour really does pop in the sun.
vz-r_dave said:
You are now going way off topic dude, I mentioned the Integra due to your snidey comments about my poor Saab (which is in heaven). I was not comparing old Honda to the M2 no way.
Where are you getting the idea I think the Saab is better? I mentioned that the seats were not wonky, that was it. There is nothing wrong with discussing the negative points of a car, there is a bit of trolling going on obviously but its banter. Take it easy
I know, all in good spirit amigo!Where are you getting the idea I think the Saab is better? I mentioned that the seats were not wonky, that was it. There is nothing wrong with discussing the negative points of a car, there is a bit of trolling going on obviously but its banter. Take it easy
I’m just trying to be as fastidious and you fellow seat championer and Mr RB5 
I think we can end this, as we now agree M2 is the best car in world, its seats are fine etc
I see the review of the M4 GTS is in [have not read] - no doubt no matter how good or bad the car is the main topic will be the style of the wheels or something ridiculous sigh
I shall desist from commenting me thinksrb5er said:
nickfrog said:
I get it now. You've done zero miles in them whether on the road or track and they don't look flash, which some people agree with. No M2 for you sadly.
No you obviously don't get it as I have done hundreds if not thousands of miles in them. They do not have the lateral support of a proper sporty seat that would come in a sporty 250bhp car.Although you obviously do get that they don't look at all flash in a £45k car which they should.
I mean, I find Porsche Tombstones both uncomfortable and unsupportive, but I accept that's probably an entirely personal thing given they're lauded for the balance of support and comfort they provide. Everyone else seems to think they're great so I reckon I just don't like them- they're not objectively bad.
Maybe you've just got a weirdly shaped arse?
ManOpener said:
Have you ever thought it might just be you?
Maybe you've just got a weirdly shaped arse?
Its not just me though is it? Its several people in this thread. Its nothing to do with arse its to do with bolstering and lack thereof around the ribs. Its just not a sporty seat to sit in or look at.Maybe you've just got a weirdly shaped arse?
Yes it tends to be people that are not in the market for a car in the first place who find good reasons not to buy them. Those seats are very similar in their ergonomical quality compared to those fitted to a new Boxster or 911. If anything they also have the added benefit of overall swivel. But I can understand that one may insist on having flashy seats in a car they were never gonna buy anyway.
D200 said:
RB5,
You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car intertior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personnaly I think a even VW Polo has better quality interior than a focus. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
Surely you can't be so obtuse?You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car intertior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personnaly I think a even VW Polo has better quality interior than a focus. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
NOBODY SAID ITS A s
t CAR. ITS MEANT TO BE GREAT. ONE CRITICISM....THE SEATS ARE st!!NOTHING TO DO WITH AN INSIGNIA OR FOCUS INTERIOR EVEN IF THESE CHEAPER CARS HAVE BETTER SEATS.
Nobody said that means the car is bad or anything else is better, just pointing out one area that could have been improved.
Either you can understand this, are being deliberately obtuse just for a windup or are just too thick to comprehend. Which is it?
nickfrog said:
Yes it tends to be people that are not in the market for a car in the first place who find good reasons not to buy them. Those seats are very similar in their ergonomical quality compared to those fitted to a new Boxster or 911. If anything they also have the added benefit of overall swivel. But I can understand that one may insist on having flashy seats in a car they were never gonna buy anyway.
I agree most people will not buy one, however that does not neccasarily mean that ones opinion and/knowledge is any less valid. Piston heads would not exist if people were limited to making posts/comments on cars they own or have owned..... The criticism of this car is due to it under achieving to those of us that really thought this could be special. BMW have sold out and made a very very quick warm 2 series with flared arches and seats ID expect to see in an m sport not an M. You can't deny that these seats are a cost short cut by BMW. rb5er said:
D200 said:
RB5,
You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car intertior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personnaly I think a even VW Polo has better quality interior than a focus. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
Surely you can't be so obtuse?You and Dave are the one who are completely ignoring all the many good points of the car concentrating purely on the it’s seats so it’s basically rubbish and inferior to a ford focus, renault megane etc.
For example watch this 12mins vid but make sure you fast forward 11min, ignoring 99% of the vid where they heap massive praise on the car and pay attention to 10secs where they mention the seat
And when you mention stuff like a focus RS – have you sat in a Focus RS? Feels so cheap inside, and when optioned you talking about 36k. It’s a 12k car intertior in a 36k car – or I suppose should really round it up, as you do, to 40k – look at classified, that’s how much a FRS will cost you. Personnaly I think a even VW Polo has better quality interior than a focus. What about an Insignia VXR – it probably has nicer seats in your opinion than an M2 therefore far better than the M2
NOBODY SAID ITS A s
t CAR. ITS MEANT TO BE GREAT. ONE CRITICISM....THE SEATS ARE st!!NOTHING TO DO WITH AN INSIGNIA OR FOCUS INTERIOR EVEN IF THESE CHEAPER CARS HAVE BETTER SEATS.
Nobody said that means the car is bad or anything else is better, just pointing out one area that could have been improved.
Either you can understand this, are being deliberately obtuse just for a windup or are just too thick to comprehend. Which is it?
I honestly don't know if you are being serious or a comedian
vz-r_dave said:
nickfrog said:
Yes it tends to be people that are not in the market for a car in the first place who find good reasons not to buy them. Those seats are very similar in their ergonomical quality compared to those fitted to a new Boxster or 911. If anything they also have the added benefit of overall swivel. But I can understand that one may insist on having flashy seats in a car they were never gonna buy anyway.
I agree most people will not buy one, however that does not necessarily mean that ones opinion and/knowledge is any less valid. Piston heads would not exist if people were limited to making posts/comments on cars they own or have owned..... The criticism of this car is due to it under achieving to those of us that really thought this could be special. BMW have sold out and made a very very quick warm 2 series with flared arches and seats ID expect to see in an m sport not an M. You can't deny that these seats are a cost short cut by BMW. t". Everything is a cost shortcut in a production car. I wouldn't call it warm. It seems very special to drive for the money, despite the seats, which in my experience are quite superb at the price point. They happen to also be fitted to M Sport cars (in a simplified guise) but that doesn't make them st or unfit for purpose. I am quite convinced that most who have genuinely used them at length will agree. I'm glad BMW spent the money on sophisticated forged suspension kinematics and end up with such a sharp turn in than fit expensive flashy seats, but each to their own.To go back to the point, you're right everyone should be able to comment. But the motivation for systematic negative and rather unrefined comments seems to find its roots in a fairly obvious sense of bitterness rather than a sense of constructive contribution...
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 20th April 23:26
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 20th April 23:28
nickfrog said:
vz-r_dave said:
nickfrog said:
Yes it tends to be people that are not in the market for a car in the first place who find good reasons not to buy them. Those seats are very similar in their ergonomical quality compared to those fitted to a new Boxster or 911. If anything they also have the added benefit of overall swivel. But I can understand that one may insist on having flashy seats in a car they were never gonna buy anyway.
I agree most people will not buy one, however that does not necessarily mean that ones opinion and/knowledge is any less valid. Piston heads would not exist if people were limited to making posts/comments on cars they own or have owned..... The criticism of this car is due to it under achieving to those of us that really thought this could be special. BMW have sold out and made a very very quick warm 2 series with flared arches and seats ID expect to see in an m sport not an M. You can't deny that these seats are a cost short cut by BMW. t". Everything is a cost shortcut in a production car. I wouldn't call it warm. It seems very special to drive for the money, despite the seats, which in my experience are quite superb at the price point. They happen to also be fitted to M Sport cars (in a simplified guise) but that doesn't make them st or unfit for purpose. I am quite convinced that most who have genuinely used them at length will agree. I'm glad BMW spent the money on sophisticated forged suspension kinematics and end up with such a sharp turn in than fit expensive flashy seats, but each to their own.To go back to the point, you're right everyone should be able to comment. But the motivation for systematic negative and rather unrefined comments seems to find its roots in a fairly obvious sense of bitterness rather than a sense of constructive contribution...
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 20th April 23:26
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 20th April 23:28
Thanks for the insight on the seats, I'll never buy one so guess I will never know. Bitter about that? no, bitter about the M2 not being a stripped out, bucket seated CSL special, Yes! Anyway guys standard m bimmer doesnt have proper bucket seat type (only limited edition ie csl, m3 evo sport).
I do have the standard sport confort seat in my 1m and i m not complaining of them as the ride is harsh and thank to them it is way much more confortable (at the end people who look for M/// want an all rounder otherwise people will buy another brand.
I do have the standard sport confort seat in my 1m and i m not complaining of them as the ride is harsh and thank to them it is way much more confortable (at the end people who look for M/// want an all rounder otherwise people will buy another brand.
rb5er said:
You struggle with comprehension, this is apparent. I will leave you to it.
You are the one who is getting all upset and sending angry posts with capital letters and so onI guess you are just one of these super negative and critical people who always look for the bad points in everything and probably people too – can’t see the good in anything or anybody.
I know people like you and I try to avoid them in case their negatively and bad attitude ti life rubs off on me.
So we will leave it at that, thanks
I can't see any good in it even though I have stated it sounds like a great car multiple times? Did you not manage to read any of that? The capital letters were to try and get the point across as you seem to keep missing it.
Great car with crap and wonky seats. Obviously you will take from that whatever you like as you can't take that there is a single criticism of it. Thats fine, your problem. Have a nice day.
Great car with crap and wonky seats. Obviously you will take from that whatever you like as you can't take that there is a single criticism of it. Thats fine, your problem. Have a nice day.
scherzkeks said:
I think everyone who likes driving does this if they own one car to do it all. If not, it would make more sense (to me) to just buy a Cayman, GT86 or something else focused more on the drive, and then have something practical, but still enjoyable, for the rest. I just don't really care for the concept of the M2. In hatch form, it would make more sense to me.
I can see your point but I think the reason we don't have something ultra-practical, that only sips fuel etc. etc. is that my wife wants to spend the majority of her time behind the wheel driving something fun / nice. - I'd happily commute in something cheap / old, fuel efficient & reliable if it meant I could have something exciting for the weekend! Actually, swap the sports car for a "proper" overland 4x4 and that's what I'm doing with the Discovery. I've recently bought an old shed of a Peugeot 206 with the tank-like 1.9 naturally-aspirated diesel to use as a work "van"...that means I don't have to subject the D2 to the "abuse" of multiple short journeys per day (I run an IT business and need a vehicle for local callouts etc.). It's so liberating to have something you're not worried about people scratching, opening doors onto etc.!
Hopefully I'll add a TVR Tuscan to the mix in a couple of years.
Autocar review has come out
Mr Prior certainly seems to enjoy it more than he did the new Boxster - at times it was difficult to hear him over the exhaust noise though
http://youtu.be/21uVSuzja2Q
Interested to read the twin test with the Focus RS in a few days time
He didn't mention the wonky seats as far as I could hear although will see if note is made of them in the proper mag test
Mr Prior certainly seems to enjoy it more than he did the new Boxster - at times it was difficult to hear him over the exhaust noise though
http://youtu.be/21uVSuzja2Q
Interested to read the twin test with the Focus RS in a few days time
He didn't mention the wonky seats as far as I could hear although will see if note is made of them in the proper mag test
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